Success! Down to 24 degrees!

[Pooka1]

I applaud those chiropractic doctors like mine, who have made scoliosis treatment their specialty and field of focus – who have trained with Rivard and Colliard

If surgeons in the US used the brace rather than abandon it or never try it based on the literature, do you think anyone would be going to chiros for the brace?

[Pooka1]

Your welcome maria - if you search a bit more, you'll see from Deutchman and Lamantai as well ... and an American Orthopist as well (I believe). Wong did two studies I believe - and if you look close (at those on the manufacturer's web site who are certified to treat unsupervised) we do not find Wong's name there. The key I believe in why some cannot duplicate the studies done by those who are certified to treat - unsupervised.

No Wong responded to the criticism. Spinecor did not respond honestly in my opinion.

[mamamax]

I don't agree with that assertion at all, mamamax. I would be highly surprised if most people understood the difference between an MD and a chiropractor at all, let alone the fact that I've never seen any group throw the doctor title around as much as these chiros, even medical doctors tend not to use that term when speaking of themselves. The chiros make sure the Dr. or "Doc" title is in everything they write. And I'm sure in person also. It is apparently their method of trying to convince people of their validity/credibility.

I suspect a significant portion of the chiros' clientele have never been to college and wouldn't realize the difference in various degrees and what they mean regarding training. In fact, I have a master's degree and it was well after college that I figured out what these "Doctor" degrees are from these training schools that are not associated with regular universities.



I don't think it's "disrespect" to point out what's going on in apparently a lot of the chiropractic industry. When I visit these chiropractor sites all I can think of is used car salesmen. And when I read what they write, it is full of inaccuracies and misleading statements about what they can accomplish.

I think if some people can get help with their pain though chiropractic adjustments, good for them. However, I think the treatment of actual conditions such as scoliosis really ought to be left to medical doctors. I'm surprised these medical boards haven't stepped on these scoliosis chiros hard for their claims regarding scoliosis. Obviously, they must be a powerful lobby here in the U.S.

We disagree on the intelligence level of most people. I knew the difference between various doctor titles before I got out of High School -over 40 years ago

In the last 40 years of dealing with my condition, and discussing it with others, I’ve never come across someone who thought a chiropractor had the same level of title as an MD. You were not aware of this until after achieving a Master’s Degree? That’s a bit surprising. I still think most people are a little more savvy than you may be giving them credit for.

There is a LOT of misrepresented information on the Internet, and the professions where we find this is wide ranging and unlimited. Why would anyone decide to negatively classify an entire profession based on the actions of a few? Not good reasoning skills in my estimation, based upon an analytical thinking class I took in college.

The chiropractic profession is also not dismissed among the more traditional medical fields – as evidenced every day by medical doctors who often refer their patients to chiropractors for treatment. The professions often work together. I include my medical doctor/orthopedic specialist in on my Spinecor treatment (as do many other Spinecor patients) and in this way help expand the knowledge base for benefit of all.

The chiropractic profession finds a degree of respect many places – the well respected surgeon, Hans Weiss, MD, is in fact also a chiropractor (German school).

I applaud those chiropractic doctors like mine, who have made scoliosis treatment their specialty and field of focus – who have trained with Rivard and Colliard (surgeon inventors of the Spinecor brace, one of whom is an SRS member) and maintain a professional relationship with them; who have become Spinecor certified to a level where they can provide this bracing technique unsupervised; who conduct (and publish in the Scoliosis Journal) ongoing studies which duplicate the results of Rivard & Colliard; who have travelled several times to Germany to receive certification in Schroth; and who offer their education, knowledge, and expertise to many patients like myself throughout the United States every day. And, faulty reasoning skills (damning all based on the actions of a few) cannot negate the documented successes they (and other Spinecor certified chiropractors) achieve.

Just my humble opinion ;-)

[mamamax]

Thanks.

I did find these - but the vast majority of these follow-ups were published by the inventors of the brace (Drs. Rivard and/or Colliard).

That's not to say they can't be valid - but I think everyone is looking for some published studies that were done by someone other than the inventors of Spinecor.

Your welcome maria - if you search a bit more, you'll see from Deutchman and Lamantai as well ... and an American Orthopist as well (I believe). Wong did two studies I believe - and if you look close (at those on the manufacturer's web site who are certified to treat unsupervised) we do not find Wong's name there. The key I believe in why some cannot duplicate the studies done by those who are certified to treat - unsupervised.

[mariaf]

[COLOR="Navy"]There have been some Spinecor follow-ups and they are found at the Scoliosis Journal web site.

Thanks.

I did find these - but the vast majority of these follow-ups were published by the inventors of the brace (Drs. Rivard and/or Colliard).

That's not to say they can't be valid - but I think everyone is looking for some published studies that were done by someone other than the inventors of Spinecor.

[Ballet Mom]

A chiropractic doctor is given the title based upon education in the US - I don't know about other countries. Everyone understands this is not the same title as MD.

I don't agree with that assertion at all, mamamax. I would be highly surprised if most people understood the difference between an MD and a chiropractor at all, let alone the fact that I've never seen any group throw the doctor title around as much as these chiros, even medical doctors tend not to use that term when speaking of themselves. The chiros make sure the Dr. or "Doc" title is in everything they write. And I'm sure in person also. It is apparently their method of trying to convince people of their validity/credibility.

I suspect a significant portion of the chiros' clientele have never been to college and wouldn't realize the difference in various degrees and what they mean regarding training. In fact, I have a master's degree and it was well after college that I figured out what these "Doctor" degrees are from these training schools that are not associated with regular universities.

I don't think is is right to disrespect the chiropractic profession - or the Spinecor doctors who are having success with this bracing method - or the patients who see them.

I don't think it's "disrespect" to point out what's going on in apparently a lot of the chiropractic industry. When I visit these chiropractor sites all I can think of is used car salesmen. And when I read what they write, it is full of inaccuracies and misleading statements about what they can accomplish.

I think if some people can get help with their pain though chiropractic adjustments, good for them. However, I think the treatment of actual conditions such as scoliosis really ought to be left to medical doctors. I'm surprised these medical boards haven't stepped on these scoliosis chiros hard for their claims regarding scoliosis. Obviously, they must be a powerful lobby here in the U.S.

[mamamax]

I ask this sincerely, not sarcastically.....outside of studies published by the inventors of the brace, where is the proof that Spinecor, or any brace for that matter, has been successful in permanently correcting curves?

It is my understanding (and I believe it is also the belief of most of the top doctors in the field) that no brace has ever been proven to do that.

If there has been proof of this, and it is published somewhere, I would truly be interested in seeing it.

Thanks.

Hi Maria -

Unfortunately, nothing can guarantee a permanent (forever lasting) correction - not even surgery, as was explained to me by the SRS surgeon I saw last year.

There have been some Spinecor follow-ups and they are found at the Scoliosis Journal web site. Interestingly enough some Milwaukee follow-ups are also promising.

As far as bracing in general - I'm hoping the BrAIST study will provide us with more information than we have now. The study director, Lori Dolan has posted some comments regarding that which you may find interesting:

http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9641

[mariaf]

I don't think is is right to disrespect the chiropractic profession - or the Spinecor doctors who are having success with this bracing method

I ask this sincerely, not sarcastically.....outside of studies published by the inventors of the brace, where is the proof that Spinecor, or any brace for that matter, has been successful in permanently correcting curves?

It is my understanding (and I believe it is also the belief of most of the top doctors in the field) that no brace has ever been proven to do that.

If there has been proof of this, and it is published somewhere, I would truly be interested in seeing it.

Thanks.

[mamamax]

to avishendrson i had a promblem like that to my shorts got to tight and i wore boxer brief underwear for girls thanks to all who have wished me good alll and to all of you in any situation my advice is to be positive thank you

Good post Kid15! I used boy cut bathing suit bottoms for the first month I was bracing - and I use the adolescent model with pelvic base & thigh bands. I think Alacia may be using the adult model which has a long tight short kind of thing on the bottom half - and maybe her brace color is also black. Not sure, waiting for her mum to answer. I'm using the long cut Spinecor bodysuit these days and love its comfort - have you tried them?

[Pooka1]

Well - this is a Spinecor thread - ok a little bit hijacked - but an originally intended Spinecor thread. If you want to open a separate thread about other things - I'll join you :-)

I do not thanks.

These CLEAR chiros are reprehensible.

[mamamax]

Well - this is a Spinecor thread - ok a little bit hijacked - but an originally intended Spinecor thread. If you want to open a separate thread about other things - I'll join you :-)

[Pooka1]

I don't think is is right to disrespect the chiropractic profession - or the Spinecor doctors who are having success with this bracing method - or the patients who see them.

Just my opinion ;-)

I don't think it's right for these CLEAR chiros to lie through their teeth or ignorantly spread bullcrap about surgery trigger angles.

On this video, they claim surgery is immediately recommended for any curve over 40*...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srtbzJmED8I

3:52 - Our buddy Stitzel is either lying or ignorant. Either way he is MISLEADING innocent people.

[mamamax]

A chiropractic doctor is given the title based upon education in the US - I don't know about other countries. Everyone understands this is not the same title as MD. Many Spinecor patients (like myself) include their orthopedic specialists in their Spinecor treatment. Personally, I think that is a great thing to do!

Some chiropractic doctors in the US (like mine) are not only Spinecor certified but have trained with Rivard and Colliard (the surgeons who invented this brace, one of whom is an SRS member) and maintain a professional relationship with them. The doctors I see have also conducted studies and have published work in the Scoliosis Journal which duplicate the results of Rivard and Colliard. There is an orthopist from the US who has also duplicated these results and is published in the Scoliosis Journal but his name escapes me at the moment.

Becoming Spinecor certified is not a quick study, or an out of the box kind of treatment - those who are certified to apply this technique (unsupervised) are listed on the manufacturer's web site.

I don't think is is right to disrespect the chiropractic profession - or the Spinecor doctors who are having success with this bracing method - or the patients who see them.

Just my opinion ;-)

[Pooka1]

By the way, as chiros are NOT allowed to use the "Dr." title in the U.K., and Canada is part of the U.K., then I wonder if chiros are allowed to call themselves "Doctor" in Canada.

[Pooka1]

Re-read the post and let me know if I misunderstood, Jill: It doesn't sound like Alacia is *currently* seeing a MD.

And regardless of what I personally think of chiropractors, skin disorders are definitely outside their scope. "Dr. Louise" has good reason to be stumped.

Regards,
Pam

Maybe "Dr." Louise should read this treatise...

http://www.jbpub.com/catalog/9780763761578/