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  • Originally posted by Pooka1 View Post
    I fell of my young horse in March while mounting and broke my back... compression fracture of L3. Totally my fault, not hers. Anyway my lumbar has a curve that is slightly north of 10* so I have scoliosis. :-0 I think it was like that and not due to the fracture. Twelve weeks off the horse to heal which was the longest I haven't ridden since I started riding again in 2003. The barn owner kept my horse in training during my hiatus which was wonderful... about 70 more rides on a young horse really moves the needle.
    What do your daughters think of your having scoliosis, if 10 degrees can even be called scoliosis? I wonder how many people have this degree of curvature and they are never made aware of it.

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    • Originally posted by Tina_R View Post
      What do your daughters think of your having scoliosis, if 10 degrees can even be called scoliosis? I wonder how many people have this degree of curvature and they are never made aware of it.
      I don't think I mentioned it yet. It is really a different animal than what my daughters had. I think I read a lot of people my age have some small lumbar curve so it is not remarkable at all. I never would know had I not broke my back.

      I do know that I have a slight asymmetry in my seat that I compensate for to keep my horse straight. Maybe that it is. I always assumed it was adhesions from two pelvic surgeries or just one psoas is slightly tighter than the other. There is a slight tightness asymmetry when I work out that maps to the seat asymmetry. Horses are so sensitive to slight (ounce) changes in weight on each seat bones that if I didn't compensate my horse would turn from it. It's far too small to see from the outside... my horse and I can only feel it. Horses are amazing. We don't deserve them.
      Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

      No island of sanity.

      Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
      Answer: Medicine


      "We are all African."

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      • Adult Degenerative Scoliosis Demographics

        Originally posted by Tina_R View Post
        I wonder how many people have this degree of curvature and they are never made aware of it.
        Degenerative scoliosis is typically diagnosed in patients older than 40 years and without a history of AIS.27 These are lumbar curves measuring > 10 with associated distal fractional curves. Although these lumbar curves are not associated with structural thoracic curves, compensatory thoracic curves can occur. As in AIS, curve prevalence in ADS is inversely proportional to curve magnitude. The prevalence of 10, 1020, and > 20 curves is 64, 44, and 24%, respectively.

        https://thejns.org/focus/view/journa...focus09271.xml

        10 degrees 64%
        10-20 degrees 44%
        Greater than 20 degrees 24%

        Scoliosis is defined as 10 degrees or more.

        Ed
        49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
        Pre surgery curves T70,L70
        ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
        Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

        Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
        http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

        My x-rays
        http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

        http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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        • Originally posted by titaniumed View Post
          Degenerative scoliosis is typically diagnosed in patients older than 40 years and without a history of AIS.27 These are lumbar curves measuring > 10 with associated distal fractional curves. Although these lumbar curves are not associated with structural thoracic curves, compensatory thoracic curves can occur. As in AIS, curve prevalence in ADS is inversely proportional to curve magnitude. The prevalence of 10, 1020, and > 20 curves is 64, 44, and 24%, respectively.

          https://thejns.org/focus/view/journa...focus09271.xml

          10 degrees 64%
          10-20 degrees 44%
          Greater than 20 degrees 24%

          Scoliosis is defined as 10 degrees or more.

          Ed
          How do you know it's degenerative? Pookah could have been 10 degrees her whole life. Doctors don't always notice small curves.

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          • It's possible I had it my whole life. Who knows.
            Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

            No island of sanity.

            Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
            Answer: Medicine


            "We are all African."

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            • Originally posted by Tina_R View Post
              How do you know it's degenerative? Pookah could have been 10 degrees her whole life. Doctors don't always notice small curves.
              Degenerative? Well, I hate to post a negative answer, but the truth is that we as humans all have to deal with degeneration in some sort of fashion or level. If you scour the ageing/degenerative material, you will see that age 35 is stated often. (The start of the downhill slide) Experiencing problems with eyesight, hearing, to spinal disc herniations are signs that the degenerative process has begun. The values in the above paper are very high for degenerative scoliosis. Can we assume that half the people on the planet over age 40 have scoliosis? That would be billions of people....Idiopathic scoliosis values run about 2-3% Idiopathic scoliosis patients that need surgery are a much smaller number than 2-3%. I have not looked, but I would assume that adult spinal patients are the bulk of all spine problems and procedures.

              I agree that many Doctors will not point out a small scoliosis. There is no way of knowing unless a scoliosis surgeon shoots an x-ray and does an evaluation. Radiologists will point out a scoliosis as they are there to point out everything they see. Chiropractors will also let one know. Scoliosis patients need to understand Cobb angles and learn about the spine.

              As far as ageing is concerned, as an athlete most of my life I experienced this.....My 4 lumbar herniations were the result of a trauma from a hard landing at age 43. I wonder if I didnt do that jump or stopped jumping at that age how long would I have gone without sciatica? I did thousands of jumps during my lifetime up until that point. High jumps. My discs were wearing out from the abuse.

              Last week Diego Maradona passed away. He was THE best soccer player ever....There is no doubt about this....Of course we wonder what happened....and with many athletes, he experienced degeneration of his body. He used alcohol, ephedrine and cocaine for over 20 years, and was seriously overweight in his later years. He had a hematoma and had brain surgery and passed at age 60. His lifestyle in his later years probably accelerated his death.....accelerated the degernative process.

              Here is a video. My favorite is at 3:56 returning the ball to the center for the goal. He wears the #10 jersey.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmys...nel=TopPassion

              Back to DD, when you are young scoli, have as much fun as possible. You can ignore scoliosis for a while, but check ups should probably happen at age 30, 35 and 40. Age 40 would be a mandatory evaluation with a scoliosis surgeon.

              Ed
              Last edited by titaniumed; 12-01-2020, 09:15 AM.
              49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
              Pre surgery curves T70,L70
              ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
              Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

              Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
              http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

              My x-rays
              http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

              http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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              • Degenerative (or, in medical terms, de novo) scoliosis is defined as a later life onset scoliosis. It's usually very easy to diagnose, as it rarely involves the thoracic spine, and the curve is often relatively sharp.

                https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...40738308000907
                Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
                ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                Surgery 2/10/93 A/P fusion T4-L3
                Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation

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                • The upper left x-ray looks just like Kathy's x-ray....

                  Accidents or trauma's at an older age can be hard to heal. Sharon, you might want to keep an eye on your spine....

                  This is an adolescent thread.....with scoliosis, and sports related chatter.

                  Before you lose hope, watch this short film. Take inspiration from Maradona. Perhaps the foundations, or beginning of goal setting. Attributes like this are needed for sports, and also scoliosis and hardcore deformity surgery. The drive and will to succeed needs to be there 100%. I had this with my skiing and (very important) my difficult surgeries. My Doctors commented on it when I was in the hospital. Your always going to be injured, but you keep playing.....I also skied in pain, this film reminds me of those times. When I broke my arm and shoulder skiing, I skied out holding my arm and drove home alone. (At age 49... ha ha)

                  We are all athletes.....keep kicking the soccer ball

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0wN...ories-OhMyGoal

                  Eye/hand coordination? I guess its eye/foot coordination (smiley face)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPA-...ories-OhMyGoal


                  Ed
                  49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
                  Pre surgery curves T70,L70
                  ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
                  Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

                  Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
                  http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

                  My x-rays
                  http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

                  http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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                  • Originally posted by titaniumed View Post
                    The upper left x-ray looks just like Kathy's x-ray....
                    I thought the same thing, Ed! It's been 4-1/2 years since my surgery, and when I look at my "before" x-rays I sort of cringe..... I still get a bit of anxiety when I think about if I ever have to go back to living in that kind of pain. Not sure I could do it again for very long.....

                    Kathy
                    Decompression surgery L4/L5
                    April 3, 2015
                    Twin Cities Spine Center - Dr. Joseph Perra
                    Fused from T11 - Sacrum anterior/posterior
                    June 24, 2016 - 55 years old at surgery
                    Twin Cities Spine Center - Dr. Joseph Perra
                    Before Surgery: 42 degrees lumbar, 28 degrees thoracic
                    After Surgery: 10 degrees lumbar, ?? Thoracic
                    2 inches taller

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                    • Originally posted by KathyInIowa View Post
                      I thought the same thing, Ed! It's been 4-1/2 years since my surgery, and when I look at my "before" x-rays I sort of cringe..... I still get a bit of anxiety when I think about if I ever have to go back to living in that kind of pain. Not sure I could do it again for very long.....
                      Kathy
                      I don't know either.....I don't cringe, but don't expect or anticipate any spine related pain events to happen...fingers crossed. My surgeries were a success, so were yours. I wouldn't be here without my surgeries.

                      I don't think it's worth worrying about....better to take things day by day. I guess I did enough worrying before my scoliosis surgeries that I can't worry anymore. I hope this makes sense.

                      Ed
                      49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
                      Pre surgery curves T70,L70
                      ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
                      Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

                      Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
                      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

                      My x-rays
                      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

                      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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                      • Non-scoli update.

                        Freshman year is going as well as could be hoped for under the circumstances. In-person school two days a week (two homework days and one remote learning day), and her HS basketball team is giving her a good outlet to be around kids her own age almost every day. No back pain, and no noticeable height loss except maybe after pounding on the court at practice for two hours.

                        Speaking of, she's killing it. Started every varsity game as a freshman, averaging double figures, leading the team in scoring, and she's in the top five in the state in scoring for freshmen. The season is about half over. We've gotten to go to about half the games and had to watch half on streaming. I spent one night watching the second half of a game from a window outside the gym when it was like 10 degrees out when the school camera wasn't working. It was worth it!

                        Hope everyone is doing well.

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                        • Great news, Concerneddad!

                          I feel so bad for kids entering college/grad school during the pandemic.

                          Has your daughter picked a major? It's early yet.
                          Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

                          No island of sanity.

                          Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
                          Answer: Medicine


                          "We are all African."

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                          • Yes, very good...Sports are great at diverting scoliosis thoughts....Does she even mention it anymore?

                            I can just see you outside the gym freezing to death watching the game. I posted a photo below, is this pretty close? (smiley face)

                            Ed
                            Attached Files
                            49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
                            Pre surgery curves T70,L70
                            ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
                            Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

                            Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
                            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

                            My x-rays
                            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

                            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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                            • Originally posted by Pooka1 View Post
                              Great news, Concerneddad!

                              I feel so bad for kids entering college/grad school during the pandemic.

                              Has your daughter picked a major? It's early yet.
                              I mean a freshman in high school! But it sucks for them too. My spouse feels bad because she's not getting to do the things that "normal" 14-15 yo girls get to do when they start high school -- go to social events and hang out with friends and meet boys. I feel less bad about the boys part.

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                              • Originally posted by Concerneddad View Post
                                I mean a freshman in high school! But it sucks for them too. My spouse feels bad because she's not getting to do the things that "normal" 14-15 yo girls get to do when they start high school -- go to social events and hang out with friends and meet boys. I feel less bad about the boys part.
                                Oh hey sorry about losing the story line there! Yes high school. :-)

                                It must be hard trying to learn under these conditions but it can be done. My colleague's daughter managed to complete a boatload of AP classes and got into UNC. Very cool.
                                Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

                                No island of sanity.

                                Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
                                Answer: Medicine


                                "We are all African."

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