Stop trying to convince that official western medical community is the only option..

[Pooka1]

Fer, this is how rational people function...

The person claiming something is true has to show the evidence it is true.

The other people who don't have evidence are allowed to sit back and be skeptical and doubt UNTIL the evidence is given. They don't have to disprove the claim although in the case of many alternative treatments, which are based on clear nonsense, we can disprove some of them from first principles.

Just like with claims of the supernatural. Until someone shows some evidence of the supernatural, rational people get to sit back and doubt the supernatural. That is the only intellectually honest position.

[flerc]

I am incredulous that leprechauns might exist.

I'm incredulous that japanese men may not reach 2 meters heigh.

The point is there is no limit to the imagination of lay people.

Yes, some of them imagine to be so important and have a knowledge so great that may do categorical assertions without prove in a public forum .

[Pooka1]

Not is valid also for you. You are incredulous about braces may work and some conditions are necessary for that. Certainly you say are useless. I only am incredulous you may prove it. But I heard you.

I am incredulous that leprechauns might exist.

And certainly the conditions I'm refering are not really obvious also for you?

Some people think prayer is a necessary condition. The point is there is no limit to the imagination of lay people.

[flerc]

Not is valid also for you. You are incredulous about braces may work and some conditions are necessary for that. Certainly you say are useless. I only am incredulous you may prove it. But I heard you.
And certainly the conditions I'm refering are not really obvious also for you?

[Pooka1]

Because without accomplishing those conditions, I cannot imagine how a brace may works

"The Argument from Personal Incredulity" is not a valid argument, Fer.

[flerc]

How do you know what they are?

Because without accomplishing those conditions, I cannot imagine how a brace may works

[leahdragonfly]

Flerc,

I do not intent to enter this fray for long, but I just have to make two comments.

1. The Milwaukee brace has been largely abandoned by the medical community because it is considered to be inhumane. Would you like your daughter or son to wear this miserable contraption for years at a time?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...QEwAw&dur=3498

I sure as hell wouldn't put it on my child for even one second.

2. VBS works by putting direct pressure on the growth plates which mechanically/physically causes the overgrowth of the affected side to slow down. This is a somewhat different principle and is much more direct than bracing. You are comparing apples to oranges.

[Pooka1]

I'm saying there are certain conditions that need to be accomplished when someone use a brace.

How do you know what they are?

[flerc]

I'm saying there are certain conditions that need to be accomplished when someone use a brace.
If you want to kill a bear with a gun, there are also some conditions that need to be accomplished, for instance the gun should to have bullets, you should to shoot to the head of the bear not to yours..
I'm not asserting you could kill the bear, but if you say that is not possible and such conditions are not necessary.. prove it.
So..Prove braces don't works when are used under the right conditions!

[Pooka1]

If I would say the use of a cast need to accomplish certain conditions, you would ask me the evidence of such conditions?
Is the same of obvious for me in the case of braces. Is not for you?

You are assuming there is some right set of conditions where bracing would work. Why are you assuming that? Maybe there are no right conditions such that the treatment is not effective for most people.

But anyway, do you know about evidence saying there are not "right" conditions? Which?

Do you have evidence that leprechauns DO NOT exist? Which?

[flerc]

If I would say the use of a cast for a broken leg need to accomplish certain conditions, you would ask me the evidence of such conditions?
Is the same of obvious for me in the case of braces. Is not for you?
But anyway, do you know about evidence saying there are not "right" conditions? Which?

[Pooka1]

But please, copy the part when they talk about braces used under ALL the right conditions.

Why do you assume there are "right" conditions? What is the evidence there are "right" conditions?

[flerc]

I believe I’m not mistaken saying there is evidence that the principle behind braces works!

Of course ‘redirecting the growth force’ is not the unique ‘principle’ that should to be taken into account. and is not the only one working in braces.
It seems to be a fact something as a complex ‘Homeostasis’ system.. sure many here may explain it better.. apparently input signals arriving to the brain triggers orders to the neuromuscular system in order to keep the ‘right posture’. Propioception and vestibular system seems to be involved in it. I have read about something as a self body image the brain think must to be maintain. But the posture according to that image is not the right posture, is a curved posture and the brain is accustomed to it.
It seems after a time the body was forced to have a better posture, the brain is accustomed to the new posture and try to maintain it. I remember in other forum some members said that after surgery, they tended to keep an old and curved posture, of course impossible for them and after a time, they was accustomed to the new and straighter posture.

So braces are compatibles with this ‘principle’ too since a better posture is forced.

[flerc]

Why cannot be designed a brace pulling up the spine without a (big) force applied to ribs?
We live in the 21 century. Someone may say something is impossible?

And certainly..do you believe or someone here is something impossible?

[flerc]

Sorry, I'm unable to seeing videos now. But please, copy the part when they talk about braces used under ALL the right conditions.