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Originally posted by Alistair View PostWe would all like to see improvements on our curves, but I'm very sceptical about these "treatments", seems to me nothing has changed in this field over the last decades, which is frustrating as medecine can do incredible things nowadays. For this reason I think, every now and then someone claims a new promising method, only to delude those affected.
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Originally posted by flerc View PostIt's really incredible for me how some people as you have not any problem in discourage other people. Fortunately people believing in non surgical methods seems to be more respectful and not do the same in the surgical section.
I'd be the happiest person alive if someone told me for sure I could improve my scoliosis, but as you get older you get more and more sceptical since nothing has changed in this field and there're plenty of examples of bandits making money on vulnerable people. This treatments remind me of those clinics promising to grow your hair back... I desperately want to believe that they work, but testimonials and pictures over the internet count as nothing believe me, I'd like to hear some truly independent authority saying they work. Can someone explain to me why these treatments are not widely available in all 1st world countries if they work so well?
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Originally posted by Alistair View PostCan someone explain to me why these treatments are not widely available in all 1st world countries if they work so well?
Schroth has been around over 90 years and still is a fringe treatment in Germany where it was "dreamed up" by a lay person.
Alternative treatments are developed by lay people with no relevant training. I think the Better Business Bureau needs to police that stuff a bit more than they do.
On the issue of dashing the hope of people by pointing out that alternative treatments are non-scientific and sometimes counterfactual nonsense, I am troubled that this is even an issue. It reminds me of how some psychologists have suggested that religion is useful because it is socially acceptable wishful thinking for adults. It doesn't need to be true. I guess some here are arguing for alternative treatments being socially acceptable wishful thinking for adults also. The difference with religion though it is DOES matter if alternative treatments are true (work) or not when it comes to a scoliosis treatment. These folks can imbibe in wishful thinking but it is very unseemly and doesn't help anyone in the end. The only hope is science. It's the only game in town.Last edited by Pooka1; 10-04-2011, 05:56 AM.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by Alistair View PostFlerc, did you actually read my post? I don't want to dampen anyone's hope, I'm just sceptical that's all.
Rather the exact opposite... they are taught sniveling credulity from an early age. They are taught to check their brain at the door.
That's why alternative treatments can have a hey day with desperate, innocent scoliosis patients. It's a crime.Last edited by Pooka1; 10-04-2011, 05:43 AM.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Words have commonly agreed upon meanings.
VBS is in NO WAY "alternative" in the way that word is used in the context of scoliosis.
It is surgery. Non-fusion surgery but still surgery.
The crowd who want to avoid surgery at all costs would never call VBS "alternative" or even "conservative." They would call it surgery.
Surgery and conservative treatments are legitimate because they are administered by trained people.
Alternative "treatments" are just dreamed up by lay people with no relevant training.
There is hope and there is false hope. Confusing them helps nobody.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by Alistair View PostFlerc, did you actually read my post? I don't want to dampen anyone's hope, I'm just sceptical that's all.
What do you think that someone trusting in some alternative methods as some people here (as you know) may feel reading what you said?.
But probably you are different to someone as Mariaf (there's nowt so queer as folk) and other people here trying that people only does what surgeons say what to do. And the way is attacking and ridiculing that people and dirtying all non surgical posts as you are doing with this, regardless this would not be your intention.
It’s not bad to do the question you are doing but only in a right place. It has not a simple answer as other questions as why medical community use the same kind of solution of a century ago Of course there is not a non surgical method working for everyone and medical community has not much interest in replace fusion for a solution according with this century. But all that questions were treated here http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...-to-Scoliscore I don’t want to dirtying even more this thread.
I hope you’ll read it and if you think you remains with such kinds of doubts, you’ll ask your questions and say what you want there and not in other post like this. And that even if you think that all non surgical methods are a fraude and you want to warning people, you'll simply paste a link to that debate. That is something what someone with that kind of beliefs and with really good intentions should to do.
I may expect that from you, unfortunately not from other people with other intentions here.
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I hope that people will continues talking about what they were talking in this thread before this discussion.
Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostSurgery and conservative treatments are legitimate because they are administered by trained people.
Alternative "treatments" are just dreamed up by lay people with no relevant training.
There is hope and there is false hope. Confusing them helps nobody.
I replied to that here http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...464#post126464
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Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostFlerc is not from the US but speaking about the US, the vast majority of people are not raised to value skepticism. They are skeptical of skeptical people essentially.
Rather the exact opposite... they are taught sniveling credulity from an early age. They are taught to check their brain at the door.
That's why alternative treatments can have a hey day with desperate, innocent scoliosis patients. It's a crime.
You just have to go the mall to see tags like "anti-aging", "lowers colhesterol", "prevent baldness", what a load of tosh... life teaches you to be skeptical I suppose.. I totally agree with you that these things should be better policed, they are to my eyes criminals.
I hope you’ll read it and if you think you remains with such kinds of doubts
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Originally posted by Alistair View PostI'm not from the US either, I'm Italian, live near Milan, but nonetheless very very skeptical about this claims, if this method worked I probably wouldn't have to go to Germany or the UK for trying it, surely?? It would be widespread...
You just have to go the mall to see tags like "anti-aging", "lowers colesterol", "prevent baldness", what a load of tosh... life teaches you to be skeptical I suppose.. I totally agree with you that these things should be better policed, they are to my eyes criminals.
http://www.scoliosisjournal.com/content/3/1/20
Originally posted by Alistair View PostYes Flerc, I'll read that, but for what I know you could well have an economic interest in these alternative methods.. I worked as a webmaster and I can tell you that the Internet is full of fake testimonials and case histories, I don't believe it till I see it..Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by Alistair View PostYes Flerc, I'll read that, but for what I know you could well have an economic interest in these alternative methods
Certainly, I also may think that you are receiving a pay for say what you are saying. But I not believe that. It’s true that sometimes I try to get blood from a stone, as I did expecting a rational and respectful behavior from you. Even some people with other intentions here (I never said it was economic) seems much more clever and respectful than you.
Continue believing and saying what you want about me. Not only I don’t want continuing dirtying this thread, I have not time to waste talking with someone like you.
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Originally posted by flerc View PostNot only I don’t want continuing dirtying this thread,Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostDon't be afraid of words and ideas. Everything is on the table for criticism. There are no "sacred' ideas.
But if you not say anything about those particular methods and you simply want to inform people what you believe about all alternative treatments, you may do it in a non questionable way, without generating the same discussion in these threads, simply saying what you want in that debate and pasting a link to it.
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The chickens are coming home to roost...
A culture of credulity has ill-prepared the populace for sorting out sense from nonsense.
The rubber has hit the road.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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