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Susan's surgery at UCSF with Dr. Hu on 19 and 22 March, 2013

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  • Originally posted by JuliaAnn View Post
    Yes, listen to your body! It will let you know what you need. It's crazy to go off meds too soon. I stopped all meds around 7 weeks Only because I kept getting vertigo, severe constipation and my blood pressure was all over the place. I had to decide which was worse, the pain or the debilitating side effects. I just couldn't live with erratic blood pressure and vertigo so I decided to tough out the pain. There were days in months three and four where I nearly couldn't stand with the pain. I probably should have tried another pain medication but decided to tough it out. It was brutal. I do NOT recommend going off pain meds too soon. I noticed a big decrease in pain issues during the fifth and sixth months so take your time. You'll get there.

    Each night when I lay down during the first months, I felt like I was gently cracking open a fragile fusion at one spot in my back. It hurt like crazy and made me weep at night. But then one night, March 10th to be exact, I did not feel that tiny "pop/crack" and searing pain when I carefully logged rolled into bed as usual. It never happened again and I think on March 10th, that was when the final vertebrae fused. That was five months and one week after my surgery. Growing new bone just takes time.

    You're right, I don't know how anyone can prepare for this surgery. I remember all your posts on the board asking questions and your hesitation in getting surgery. The hardest part is now behind you! You're doing great! Love your sense of humor.
    Thanks for your thoughtful post. I guess that I am still unsure how to decrease meds, but I will wait and talk further with the pain management MD in Portland.
    Susan....I looked at your preop MRI, that was pretty scary. So glad that you had that fixed!
    Adult Onset Degen Scoliosis @65, 25* T & 36* L w/ 11.2 cm coronal balance; T kyphosis 90*; Sev disc degen T & L stenosis

    2013: T3- S1 Fusion w/ ALIF L4-S1/XLIF L2-4, PSF T4-S1 2 surgeries
    2014: Hernia @ ALIF repaired; Emergency screw removal SCI T4,5 sec to PJK
    2015: Rev Broken Bil T & L rods and no fusion: 2 revision surgeries; hardware P. Acnes infection
    2016: Ant/Lat Lumbar diskectomy w/ 4 cages + BMP + harvested bone
    2018: Removal L4,5 screw
    2021: Removal T1 screw & rod

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    • Originally posted by JuliaAnn View Post
      Yes, listen to your body! It will let you know what you need. It's crazy to go off meds too soon. I stopped all meds around 7 weeks Only because I kept getting vertigo, severe constipation and my blood pressure was all over the place. I had to decide which was worse, the pain or the debilitating side effects. I just couldn't live with erratic blood pressure and vertigo so I decided to tough out the pain. There were days in months three and four where I nearly couldn't stand with the pain. I probably should have tried another pain medication but decided to tough it out. It was brutal. I do NOT recommend going off pain meds too soon. I noticed a big decrease in pain issues during the fifth and sixth months so take your time. You'll get there.
      Same story here only I was 6 weeks. I also took 5 hot baths per day for 3 full months for pain without meds.

      It seems many ask about weaning right around 4-6 weeks post.....I could set my clock off some posts around here......

      If you guys are asking, your thinking about it. Weaning should be a goal....

      Ed
      49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
      Pre surgery curves T70,L70
      ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
      Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

      Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

      My x-rays
      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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      • Originally posted by titaniumed View Post
        Same story here only I was 6 weeks. I also took 5 hot baths per day for 3 full months for pain without meds.

        It seems many ask about weaning right around 4-6 weeks post.....I could set my clock off some posts around here......

        If you guys are asking, your thinking about it. Weaning should be a goal....

        Ed
        I see Dr. Hu tomorrow and will ask her about pain med reduction and her thoughts.
        Right now my neck is killing me. Ouch!
        Susan
        Adult Onset Degen Scoliosis @65, 25* T & 36* L w/ 11.2 cm coronal balance; T kyphosis 90*; Sev disc degen T & L stenosis

        2013: T3- S1 Fusion w/ ALIF L4-S1/XLIF L2-4, PSF T4-S1 2 surgeries
        2014: Hernia @ ALIF repaired; Emergency screw removal SCI T4,5 sec to PJK
        2015: Rev Broken Bil T & L rods and no fusion: 2 revision surgeries; hardware P. Acnes infection
        2016: Ant/Lat Lumbar diskectomy w/ 4 cages + BMP + harvested bone
        2018: Removal L4,5 screw
        2021: Removal T1 screw & rod

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        • 6 week visit with Dr. Hu

          Had a great 6 week visit with Dr. Hu and the ortho resident. She said that I was ahead of where she thought that I would be. I had 16 questions that she patiently answered. I have really cool pictures of before and after surgery which I will try to post when we return home and I can download my phone.

          She measured my kyphosis before and after surgery and said that it was 90 degrees to 62 degrees. The reason that the after is so high is because my bone was osteoporotic (normal bone density on hip, so she did not expect that) and she was unable to fix the upper end. That was her only regret in the surgery.

          Also, great question to ask postop: what was the biggest surprise for you in my surgery?

          I told her about my neck pain and scapular and trapezius pain. She said that everything was so stretched out with the preop coronal balance shift and scoliosis, that maybe some of it is just my body getting used to the postop dynamics of trying to keep me upright. I asked her how the surgery might affect my future cervical degeneration, and she suggested PT and seeing how things shake out/adjust over time.

          I also talked to her about waking up in the recovery room still intubated (ironically, i had told her at the preop visit that i was worried about waking up intubated and she said not to worry that it rarely happens) and I couldn't get anyone's attention to extubate me inspite of making big hand signals and beating on the side rails to get someone to come over to my bed. If i had been more clever, i would have held my breath and set off some alarms, but it did not occur to me at that time. When someone finally came over, it seemed like 15 minutes or so went by, I used sign language to tell them what I wanted. Nobody knew sign language. Then they gave me a card to point to the letters of what I was trying to tell them. I didn't have my glasses so I could not see the letters. Finally, someone took it out....I remember the guy saying, "this is going to be uncomfortable, so try to relax". Relax....I was felt so clostrophobic, I didn't care how much it hurt. Actually, it did not hurt. I cannot describe how relieved I was to get it out. Dr. Hu apologized for what happened. I said that I just want to know what to do so it will not happen again....then I told her that it won't happen again, because this was my last and only surgery!

          She gave me 20 minutes of off brace time 3 times a day and prescribed more PT, especially for my neck.

          So, it was a awesome visit and I am off to Washington and Oregon tomorrow. Yahoo!
          Susan
          Last edited by susancook; 04-29-2013, 08:03 PM.
          Adult Onset Degen Scoliosis @65, 25* T & 36* L w/ 11.2 cm coronal balance; T kyphosis 90*; Sev disc degen T & L stenosis

          2013: T3- S1 Fusion w/ ALIF L4-S1/XLIF L2-4, PSF T4-S1 2 surgeries
          2014: Hernia @ ALIF repaired; Emergency screw removal SCI T4,5 sec to PJK
          2015: Rev Broken Bil T & L rods and no fusion: 2 revision surgeries; hardware P. Acnes infection
          2016: Ant/Lat Lumbar diskectomy w/ 4 cages + BMP + harvested bone
          2018: Removal L4,5 screw
          2021: Removal T1 screw & rod

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          • Congratulations! It's so reassuring to hear from our surgeons that everything is going well and here you are ahead of schedule!
            That's awesome!
            Karen

            Surgery-Jan. 5, 2011-Dr. Lenke
            Fusion T-4-sacrum-2 cages/5 osteotomies
            70 degree thoracolumbar corrected to 25
            Rib Hump-GONE!
            Age-60 at the time of surgery
            Now 66
            Avid Golfer & Tap Dancer
            Retired Kdgn. Teacher

            See photobucket link for:
            Video of my 1st Day of Golf Post-Op-3/02/12-Bradenton, FL
            Before and After Picture of back 1/7/11
            tap dancing picture at 10 mos. post op 11/11/11-I'm the one on the right.
            http://s1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/pottoff2/

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            • I am happy for you and have a safe trip home!
              I am stronger than scoliosis, and won't let it rule my life!
              45 years old - diagnosed at age 7
              A/P surgery on March 5/7, 2013 - UCSF

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              • Susan,
                Great news for you so that you can get back to the beautiful Pacific Northwest. I am so glad things have gone so well for you. I hope that when you recover from the surgical pain that you will no longer have the horrible back pain and sciatica that you had.
                Love and prayers,
                Sally
                Diagnosed with severe lumbar scoliosis at age 65.
                Posterior Fusion L2-S1 on 12/4/2007. age 67
                Anterior Fusion L3-L4,L4-L5,L5-S1 on 12/19/2007
                Additional bone removed to decompress right side of L3-L4 & L4-L5 on 4/19/2010
                New England Baptist Hospital, Boston, MA
                Dr. Frank F. Rands735.photobucket.com/albums/ww360/butterflyfive/

                "In God We Trust" Happy moments, praise God. Difficult moments, seek God. Quiet moments, worship God. Painful moments, trust God. Every moment, thank God.

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                • Susan,

                  I am glad that you are doing so well . I pray that this will continue for you

                  Melissa
                  Melissa

                  Fused from C2 - sacrum 7/2011

                  April 21, 2020- another broken rod surgery

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                  • Bummer....since Sunday I have had left sided buttocks sciatic pain. Never had left sided pain before. I am disappointed. I knew that it was too good to be true that I was doing so well. No falls, no twists, and I am wearing my brace. Crap.
                    Susan
                    Adult Onset Degen Scoliosis @65, 25* T & 36* L w/ 11.2 cm coronal balance; T kyphosis 90*; Sev disc degen T & L stenosis

                    2013: T3- S1 Fusion w/ ALIF L4-S1/XLIF L2-4, PSF T4-S1 2 surgeries
                    2014: Hernia @ ALIF repaired; Emergency screw removal SCI T4,5 sec to PJK
                    2015: Rev Broken Bil T & L rods and no fusion: 2 revision surgeries; hardware P. Acnes infection
                    2016: Ant/Lat Lumbar diskectomy w/ 4 cages + BMP + harvested bone
                    2018: Removal L4,5 screw
                    2021: Removal T1 screw & rod

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                    • Is there a problem with a retained suture? Feels like a suture knot at the bottom of my XLIF incision. No reddness or tenderness.
                      Susan
                      Adult Onset Degen Scoliosis @65, 25* T & 36* L w/ 11.2 cm coronal balance; T kyphosis 90*; Sev disc degen T & L stenosis

                      2013: T3- S1 Fusion w/ ALIF L4-S1/XLIF L2-4, PSF T4-S1 2 surgeries
                      2014: Hernia @ ALIF repaired; Emergency screw removal SCI T4,5 sec to PJK
                      2015: Rev Broken Bil T & L rods and no fusion: 2 revision surgeries; hardware P. Acnes infection
                      2016: Ant/Lat Lumbar diskectomy w/ 4 cages + BMP + harvested bone
                      2018: Removal L4,5 screw
                      2021: Removal T1 screw & rod

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                      • How is your sciatic pain, Susan? Fingers crossed it has gone.

                        I've read on this forum of other patients who had sutures under the skin. Perhaps a search might pull up something?
                        Surgery March 3, 2009 at almost 58, now 63.
                        Dr. Askin, Brisbane, Australia
                        T4-Pelvis, Posterior only
                        Osteotomies and Laminectomies
                        Was 68 degrees, now 22 and pain free

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                        • Originally posted by JenniferG View Post
                          How is your sciatic pain, Susan? Fingers crossed it has gone.

                          I've read on this forum of other patients who had sutures under the skin. Perhaps a search might pull up something?
                          Sciatic pain is mild but continues in spite of my increased Lyrica. Why did this pain start almost 2 months after surgery? I want all of my pain to go away! I had a really bad day as I went hiking yesterday and then went to a semi-formal benefit. I died about half way through. When people asked me why I wore a brace, I told them that I heard that it was a really tough crowd and that it was a flack jacket. What goes with a plastic brace? pearls, I decided. I looked OK, but rode to the event in my husband's 20 year old Miata and by the time we arrived, I hurt and was nauseated. I told him, no more Miata.
                          I am becoming increasingly impatient with healing. I think that I forgot how much pain I was in before surgery. Susan
                          Adult Onset Degen Scoliosis @65, 25* T & 36* L w/ 11.2 cm coronal balance; T kyphosis 90*; Sev disc degen T & L stenosis

                          2013: T3- S1 Fusion w/ ALIF L4-S1/XLIF L2-4, PSF T4-S1 2 surgeries
                          2014: Hernia @ ALIF repaired; Emergency screw removal SCI T4,5 sec to PJK
                          2015: Rev Broken Bil T & L rods and no fusion: 2 revision surgeries; hardware P. Acnes infection
                          2016: Ant/Lat Lumbar diskectomy w/ 4 cages + BMP + harvested bone
                          2018: Removal L4,5 screw
                          2021: Removal T1 screw & rod

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                          • You're doing way more than I did at the same time. You're about 6 weeks post op, right? I was only leaving the house for my walk at 6 weeks so I'm in awe of what you're doing. Perhaps it's too much? I hope the sciatica is something simple like that, and easily fixed. I really hope that it resolves - it's the worst.
                            Surgery March 3, 2009 at almost 58, now 63.
                            Dr. Askin, Brisbane, Australia
                            T4-Pelvis, Posterior only
                            Osteotomies and Laminectomies
                            Was 68 degrees, now 22 and pain free

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                            • Originally posted by susancook View Post
                              Sciatic pain is mild but continues in spite of my increased Lyrica. Why did this pain start almost 2 months after surgery? I want all of my pain to go away! I had a really bad day as I went hiking yesterday and then went to a semi-formal benefit. I died about half way through. When people asked me why I wore a brace, I told them that I heard that it was a really tough crowd and that it was a flack jacket. What goes with a plastic brace? pearls, I decided. I looked OK, but rode to the event in my husband's 20 year old Miata and by the time we arrived, I hurt and was nauseated. I told him, no more Miata.
                              I am becoming increasingly impatient with healing. I think that I forgot how much pain I was in before surgery. Susan
                              Susan,

                              Baby steps! You have shocked your body for it is still healing and will be for the next year or so. I can not believe you are hiking two months out, I am 6 months and would not be able to go very far. Just take things slow, for it is next to impossible to jump in at the speed you were running prior to surgery. Just take some time to let your body calm down from all the activities you have been doing lately and then be cautious of the speed you go for the next few months. Your body will tell you when you are doing too much. Use a Jacuzzi or soak in hot baths, it will help some.

                              Tamena
                              Diagnosed at age 12 with a double major curve

                              Braced till age 15

                              SSBOB T12-L2 Anterior age 34. (October 22,2012) Dr. Robert Gaines Jr. ( Columbia, MO)

                              Revision Surgery T2-Sacrum with Pelvic Fixation Prosterior age 35 (November 13,2013) Dr. Michael Kelly (St. Louis, MO)

                              Revision Surgery L4/L5 due to BMP Complication age 36 (November 20,2014) Dr. Michael Kelly (St. Louis, Mo)

                              Revision Surgery due to broken rod scheduled for October 19, 2016 with Dr. Michael Kelly (St. Louis, MO)

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                              • Hi Susan,

                                It sounds like you are really doing too much at this point. Believe, I TRULY understand how hard it is to be patient with this recovery, but as others have said, it is a one-year plus proposition. Please let your body have the healing time it needs. You don't want to go through this again, I guarantee it!

                                Walking some is good, but too much walking is bad. There was someone here a few years ago whose surgeon told her to work up to walking 10-15 miles per day, which she did pretty early on. It came to light later that she had harmed her fusion (I forget what happened but the excess walking was directly cited by another surgeon as I recall).

                                Daily moderate walks plus maybe some easy pool exercise is all you need right now! Let your body heal---it is not a race to recovery and there is absolutely no way to speed it up!

                                Fondly yours,
                                Gayle, age 50
                                Oct 2010 fusion T8-sacrum w/ pelvic fixation
                                Feb 2012 lumbar revision for broken rods @ L2-3-4
                                Sept 2015 major lumbar A/P revision for broken rods @ L5-S1


                                mom of Leah, 15 y/o, Diagnosed '08 with 26* T JIS (age 6)
                                2010 VBS Dr Luhmann Shriners St Louis
                                2017 curves stable/skeletely mature

                                also mom of Torrey, 12 y/o son, 16* T, stable

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