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Originally posted by LindaRacine View PostYou can ignore my posts, or the posts of anyone else, by adding that individual to your ignore list.
http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/profi...?do=ignorelist
I'm afraid that this response completely misses the point. It's actually quite astonishing, this unwillingness to recognize the seriousness of the overall issue. I think "insensitive" is an accurate description.
I stand by my analyses above and am gratified to see them validated by people I don't know.
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Originally posted by scooter950 View PostLet's be adults! If you don't want to read my posts, then skip it.
Think.
Think.
Think.
For yourself.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by Writer View PostI'm afraid that this response completely misses the point. It's actually quite astonishing, this unwillingness to recognize the seriousness of the overall issue. I think "insensitive" is an accurate description.
I stand by my analyses above and am gratified to see them validated by people I don't know.
You want calm and peace on these boards? Stop posting crap like this.
THIS crap is why I don't come here as often, its not the ones Writer is complaining about, its Writer and those with him in attacking other posters, all the while claiming they are against such things.Surgeries July 26th & August 3rd 1983 (12 years old)
Still have 57 degree curve
2 Harrington rods
Luque method used
Dr David Bradford
Twin Cities Scoliosis Center
Preop xray (with brace on)
Postop xray
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Originally posted by Qikdraw View PostWhat I find most disturbing is the blatant hypocracy put out by some people who say they want an end to discord on the forums. You want calm on these forums? Stop posting threads that attack other posters, cause that is all this entire thread is, just a direct attack on posters you don't like, and all you're doing is trying to sow discord and get people behind you.
You want calm and peace on these boards? Stop posting crap like this.
THIS crap is why I don't come here as often, its not the ones Writer is complaining about, its Writer and those with him in attacking other posters, all the while claiming they are against such things.
Agree with you - there is much to be disturbed about. And like you ... i would much like to find peace in the non-surgical section. There is a problem however, in this section. Writer addresses it head on. And others like Writer who have been long disturbed by the problem that exists - have lent their voices to acknowledge that a serious problem, does in fact, exist. Not a pretty sight i'll admit. But something has to be done about the problem and ignoring it, or clicking little triangles - will not make it go away.
The problem is this: There is enough continued and open disrespect for people in the non-surgical section that those who would like to peacefully participate on this board - find that they must openly confront it in the hopes of effecting change. Ignoring it like i said, will not make it go away. This problem does not exist on the surgical boards - and it should not exist here. The only alternative the non-surgical folks have is - to not participate in a board created for them - with the purpose of being just as helpful to them, as the surgical section is to others.
This thread was started because of the open disrespect for Joseph O'Brien. Many disrespectful things have been said about him, bringing many things about him into question - his faith, his character, his abilities, and his direction. Given who and what Joseph O'Brien really is - this has just been too much for many of us to bear, and Writer has spoken up about it .. many others have voiced their agreement. The disrespect shown to Joe - is a mirror of what others have experienced in trying to peacefully participate on the non-surgical board. And QD, I'll just bet that if these accusations against Joe had happened over on the surgical board - that you would have been one of the first to speak out against it.
It seems as though the non-surgical boards have become a form of entertainment for a select few who believe it is a place to debate rather than share (compare this board to the surgical section and see if this does not ring true). Does debate belong in the non surgical section? I think not - no more that it belongs over in the surgical section. Perhaps debate deserves its own little section - but certainly not among those seeking or engaging in current treatment - surgical or non surgical. And the debate that occurs here in the non-surgical board, is more tool to hijack and confuse a thread than it is sincere desire to help others engaged in non surgical treatment. If what goes on here - went on in the surgical section ... how many would sit passively by and endure it without comment? Few i suspect.
Fair and equitable treatment is all that is being asked for. That should not be too much to expect. Up-thread, there is a post from Jamie (Scooter950) that has been weighing heavy on my mind. How many more are there that no longer participate on the non-surgical board because it quite simply is too difficult amid the disrespect .. making the attempt truly counterproductive to any current non surgical treatment option one may be engaged in. Jamie, if you are reading this - i hope the most recent threads started by Betty14 will prove problem free, and that you will feel safe to contribute there.
A doctor i saw this week said to me (before even exchanging a greeting) ... Are you still abusing yourself by trying to participate at NSF?
Something needs to be done.
Have a Happy and Safe 4th of July weekend everyone!
Last edited by mamamax; 07-04-2009, 06:26 AM.
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Originally posted by mamamax View PostThank you for speaking up Scooter. God Bless you. The banning of faith which plays an important part in our lives is as you say - incredulous. That is a fact.
There is nothing wrong with that.
Faith is certainly important to a lot of people and this forum is too small as it is. I hope folks don't think what you wrote because I do think more would leave if they thought that.
I assume Linda meant banning everything else beyond saying prayers.
Faith, as opposed to evidence, is not relevant to a serious subject like scoliosis research or treatment. And I certainly hope comments about dead scientists who can't defend them self are banned.Last edited by Pooka1; 07-04-2009, 11:41 AM.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by LindaRacine View PostYou can ignore my posts, or the posts of anyone else, by adding that individual to your ignore list.
http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/profi...?do=ignorelist57 years old.
thoracic curve 68 degrees
lumbar-sacral curve +/- 41 degrees
Cspine C3- C7 fusion Nov. 2011 <done! success!!>, then scoli surgery T2- L4 or maybe to sacrum.
Discogram/ myelogram pending. Surgery to be scheduled, maybe fall 2015. <scared but I know this is not going to get better>
THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR SHARING EXPERIENCES AND KNOWLEDGE!
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Originally posted by scooter950 View PostHi again, linda- why would I want to ignore the moderator? I think your posts would be exempt from this "ignore" list- shouldn't that be one of the rules? how can you moderate the discussion if I am able to ignore your posts? just wondering... no offense intended. Moderating is a difficult job, I couldn't do it. Jamie
--LindaNever argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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Surgery 2/10/93 A/P fusion T4-L3
Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation
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Originally posted by mamamax View PostQD ~ Firstly, Happy 4th of July!
Agree with you - there is much to be disturbed about. And like you ... i would much like to find peace in the non-surgical section. There is a problem however, in this section. Writer addresses it head on. And others like Writer who have been long disturbed by the problem that exists - have lent their voices to acknowledge that a serious problem, does in fact, exist. Not a pretty sight i'll admit. But something has to be done about the problem and ignoring it, or clicking little triangles - will not make it go away.
The problem is this: There is enough continued and open disrespect for people in the non-surgical section that those who would like to peacefully participate on this board - find that they must openly confront it in the hopes of effecting change. Ignoring it like i said, will not make it go away. This problem does not exist on the surgical boards - and it should not exist here. The only alternative the non-surgical folks have is - to not participate in a board created for them - with the purpose of being just as helpful to them, as the surgical section is to others.
This thread was started because of the open disrespect for Joseph O'Brien. Many disrespectful things have been said about him, bringing many things about him into question - his faith, his character, his abilities, and his direction. Given who and what Joseph O'Brien really is - this has just been too much for many of us to bear, and Writer has spoken up about it .. many others have voiced their agreement. The disrespect shown to Joe - is a mirror of what others have experienced in trying to peacefully participate on the non-surgical board. And QD, I'll just bet that if these accusations against Joe had happened over on the surgical board - that you would have been one of the first to speak out against it.
And no I would not speak out about something like that. At best I would have reported it to Linda, and then Joe if needed. Joe does not need my help to defend himself.
Plus, some peole are just not going to believe anything put to them, and its no sense starting more and more arguements with them about it. If Sharon and Pam want to believe whatever they want to about Joe, true or not, how does that effect me? It doesn't. I'll let Joe address those issues and I'll just go about my own business in encouraging other people in their struggles and asking questions as I feel the need to.
It seems as though the non-surgical boards have become a form of entertainment for a select few who believe it is a place to debate rather than share (compare this board to the surgical section and see if this does not ring true). Does debate belong in the non surgical section? I think not - no more that it belongs over in the surgical section. Perhaps debate deserves its own little section - but certainly not among those seeking or engaging in current treatment - surgical or non surgical. And the debate that occurs here in the non-surgical board, is more tool to hijack and confuse a thread than it is sincere desire to help others engaged in non surgical treatment. If what goes on here - went on in the surgical section ... how many would sit passively by and endure it without comment? Few i suspect.
The problem on the alternative treatments is that there seems to be no long term studies done. That leaves a lot of questions about the validity of some of it. However I have yet to see anyone discourage trying it and if it helps then great. The only question has been about the long term effects and will it stand up to time?
Look at my preop xray in my sig lines and tell me if alternative treatments would have helped me. I had a chiropracter say he could have fixed me, and that I would not have needed surgery at all. Its that kind of stuff we have to watch out for as it is very dangerous, I am sure you can see that. Its the same thing with other forms of alternative treatments, some people have made wild claims and we do need to keep an eye on that so that people don't get mislead into false hopes. (in both surgery and alt treatments)
Fair and equitable treatment is all that is being asked for. That should not be too much to expect. Up-thread, there is a post from Jamie (Scooter950) that has been weighing heavy on my mind. How many more are there that no longer participate on the non-surgical board because it quite simply is too difficult amid the disrespect .. making the attempt truly counterproductive to any current non surgical treatment option one may be engaged in.
Remember just because someone disagrees with something doesn't mean its disrespect. If so I guess we are all guilty.
Something needs to be done.
Have a Happy and Safe 4th of July weekend everyone!Surgeries July 26th & August 3rd 1983 (12 years old)
Still have 57 degree curve
2 Harrington rods
Luque method used
Dr David Bradford
Twin Cities Scoliosis Center
Preop xray (with brace on)
Postop xray
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Originally posted by LindaRacine View PostWhen I use my moderating powers (hey, I'm a super hero ;-), you'll see deleted posts with a comment regarding the reason for deletion. When I post as myself, I am not a moderator.
--Linda
I do not envy you your position here. I am an admin on one site and a mod on another site, neither have the arguements we have here.
The only problem we have on one site is bots posting porn. Its good we don't have that problem here.Surgeries July 26th & August 3rd 1983 (12 years old)
Still have 57 degree curve
2 Harrington rods
Luque method used
Dr David Bradford
Twin Cities Scoliosis Center
Preop xray (with brace on)
Postop xray
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Originally posted by Qikdraw View PostThe only problem we have on one site is bots posting porn. Its good we don't have that problem here.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Happy 4th of July Everyone :-)
Lest we forget, we are the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Excerpts from the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
John Hancock, et al.
July 4, 1776
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Thanks for the support Brad. I've always known you were a stand up guy, but staying home with the scared dog proves it unequivocally. Happy 4th.
--LindaNever argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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Surgery 2/10/93 A/P fusion T4-L3
Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation
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4th of July :-)
Originally posted by Ballet Mom View PostHappy Independence Day to you too, Mamamax
Lest we forget, we are the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Excerpts from the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
John Hancock, et al.
July 4, 1776
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.
Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed,
and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.
What price Freedom (anywhere) eh? I have not checked out the accuracy of all this - was sent to me by a reliable source .. maybe our history buffs can let us know.
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