Quackwatch and Schroth

[flerc]

Are you as sure I am not a scientist as you are about all the other stuff you post is true?

quote some post mine saying I'm sure about some method I posted.
Of course I'm sure about something: You are perfect fraude and a bad pretender without basic concepts of science, trying to convince to be a scientist, to give more weight to your absurd discourse or you need money and are forced to say what none scientist in the world could never says

[Pooka1]

Of course it would be good Victine, is not fair what happens here and is absolutely impossible that the responsable of this forum could not be aware. I have never seen other forum like this. Unfortunately is the more visited of the world.
Imagine what an amazing forum would be without the Pooka1's perpetual work. But it seems she is not the only one interested in making the biggest forum of the world in the biggest surgery publicity.. nothing that we may say here could change anything.

Victine says she has radiographs showing evidence for some conservative treatment helping people. But she won't show the evidence. We are supposed to take it on faith. Is that acceptable to you?

If someone says they have evidence for what they claim and they don't post it, we are free to doubt they have evidence. And you know it. In fact we are REQUIRED to doubt it because we don't want to be credulous fools.

[Pooka1]

Everyone talking in the name of science as you do all the time AND SAYING TO BE A SCIENTIST as you did, should to prove it!!! I opened a thread saying this, warning parents reading your posts AND IT WAS DELETED!! You are not alone here of course, is obvious this forum wants you to do what you do. If you would be honest yo would prove to be a scientist, something impossible to believe really.

Are you as sure I am not a scientist as you are about all the other stuff you post is true?

[flerc]

Everyone is free to talk about non-surgical strategies all day and half the night. But if they make CLAIMS of PT letting someone avoid surgery, they have to show the evidence. Scoliosis is a field of medicine, not revelation.

Everyone talking in the name of science as you do all the time AND SAYING TO BE A SCIENTIST as you did, should to prove it!!! I opened a thread saying this, warning parents reading your posts AND IT WAS DELETED!! You are not alone here of course, is obvious this forum wants you to do what you do. If you would be honest yo would prove to be a scientist, something impossible to believe really.

[flerc]

Yes! Yes! It would be good to be able to freely talk with others on this forum about non-surgical strategies. I too, am always interested in getting information about what others are trying and what others think may have helped them. Some people could actually be helped by this.

Of course it would be good Victine, is not fair what happens here and is absolutely impossible that the responsable of this forum could not be aware. I have never seen other forum like this. Unfortunately is the more visited of the world.
Imagine what an amazing forum would be without the Pooka1's perpetual work. But it seems she is not the only one interested in making the biggest forum of the world in the biggest surgery publicity.. nothing that we may say here could change anything.

[Pooka1]

Yes! Yes! It would be good to be able to freely talk with others on this forum about non-surgical strategies.

Everyone is free to talk about non-surgical strategies all day and half the night. But if they make CLAIMS of PT letting someone avoid surgery, they have to show the evidence. Scoliosis is a field of medicine, not revelation.

You implied a conservation treatment was working. What is it and where is the proof it is working?

[Pooka1]

Some people could actually be helped by this.

What would actually help is for you to post the radiographs showing PT let people avoid surgery. You said you had radiographs but you don't post them. Why? Do you or do you not want to help people here?

Talk is cheap. Radiographs read by surgeons or radiologists are the only game in town for claims of PT avoiding surgery.

[Victine]

And of course is EXTREME suspect why you may stay all the day, as you did thousonds of times before, in non surgical sections if you say they don’t work! I’m here because I think they works, surely not in every case, but in some cases and I’m trying to get information here, to talk with others.. something IMPOSSIBLE with you doing what you do.

Yes! Yes! It would be good to be able to freely talk with others on this forum about non-surgical strategies. I too, am always interested in getting information about what others are trying and what others think may have helped them. Some people could actually be helped by this.

[flerc]

I’m at least something irrational since I’m discussing again this with you, a perfect nonsense of course.. As I said you hundreds of times, you cannot said ‘there is not evidence’, you only may say ‘I don’t know about some evidence’. Braces works (and surely better) since milleniums ago and the proof (evidence) was shown to all the world some months ago. So you should to delete all your posts saying ‘there is not evidence’ as I said you years ago. How many people around the world have seen how braces work? How could you know if the same may be said about PT? What do you know? You never give a reason about why something cannot works, you only say ‘I don’t know about some evidence’ in thousands of diferent corrupt and confusing ways, all the time every day in thousands of posts. And you say to be a scientist. A scientist never could reasoning as you seem to reasoning, say what you say.. except would be forced to do that.

And of course is EXTREME suspect why you may stay all the day, as you did thousonds of times before, in non surgical sections if you say they don’t work! I’m here because I think they works, surely not in every case, but in some cases and I’m trying to get information here, to talk with others.. something IMPOSSIBLE with you doing what you do.
So, for me you are forced in some way (for instance receiving money you need) to do this or you are not sane.

[Pooka1]

I know A LOT of people around the world thinking not only that this is the best publicity for surgery since the permanent attack to non surgical options defaming them, something extremely obvious for anyone of course, but also that since this forum allows this, the responsable of this forum have some interest in doing such kind of immoral publicity.

I am not responsible for, and will not apologize for, the LACK of asking for evidence for any treatment among the masses. This is NOT my fault and I often argue for good science educations as against others who want to undermine science education. I argue for being evidence-driven. You interpret that as being pro-surgery. That falls out that way because that's how the evidence falls out. This has nothing to do with me in particular.

A logic conclusion really, you don't believe? I cannot know if Pooka1 and also people supporting her are receiving money for doing this immoral work of course, but is a way to explain why happens what happens here.

No actually it is irrational on its face. I don't think you really believe it because I don't think you are that irrational.

If you have some interest in continue talking with me, don't defend never more Pooka1 and people supporting her.

Instead of talking about people, why don't you talk about the evidence (or lack thereof) for these conservative treatments. That's what people want to see, not irrational nonsense like you have been posting.

[flerc]

For a certainty, Flerc, I don't even know Mariaf. I don't know if I've ever even gotten a PM from her! So to call us "friends" when we don't know each other is far reaching. Although, I would probably very much like Mariaf if I got to know her. Her work here is NOT immoral. VBS and tethering are some things that I never knew existed. I thought the only options for scoliosis were bracing, exercise and FUSION surgery. How is telling people that there are fusionless options out there for their kids with rapidly progressing curves immoral?

Pooka1 is certainly NOT getting PAID for her posts on the forum. Linda Racine is the moderator and doesn't get paid! So why would someone pay Sharon? WHO would pay her? I just think that it's silly to think that forum members would collect a penny for contributing to a forum.

You said:



Bold, mine.

I may tolerate attacks to me as you did in a previous post, but I don't have any interest to talk with an accomplice of the immoral work done in this forum, defending people doing it. But you believed I was refering to you instead of Pooka1, so just only for this reason I will answer what you asked, even I'm sure you will not agree.
I know A LOT of people around the world thinking not only that this is the best publicity for surgery since the permanent attack to non surgical options defaming them, something extremely obvious for anyone of course, but also that since this forum allows this, the responsable of this forum have some interest in doing such kind of immoral publicity. A logic conclusion really, you don't believe? I cannot know if Pooka1 and also people supporting her are receiving money for doing this immoral work of course, but is a way to explain why happens what happens here.

If you have some interest in continue talking with me, don't defend never more Pooka1 and people supporting her.

[flerc]

For a certainty, Flerc, I don't even know Mariaf. I don't know if I've ever even gotten a PM from her! So to call us "friends" when we don't know each other is far reaching.

You never understand what I say. Obviously I was refering to Pooka1, not you.

[flerc]

' tried to make it work for 10 years and with 30,000 patients. He GAVE UP.'
You said he failed using Schroth with their patients. Where do you see he saying this?

I check to see if he won the Nobel in Physiology/Medicine for letting people avoid fusion surgery. And nope, he has not.

Of course he never said he failed with all his patients in surgical risk, it seems it was only an invention of your mind, as the 99% of all what you don't stop to say against non surgical options.
If you believe the Nobel Prize must to be asigned to someone inventing something to avoid a surgery, look for the first one inventing braces milleniums ago..

[rohrer01]

Susan,
It certainly didn't start out this way. I'm fed up with it, too. I'm done. I promise.

Jinseeker,
The bracing is my DIL's opinion. I know I would have done it as a child, too. I actually tried on a couple of women's apparel items (yes, I'm female) that are designed to hold your shoulders back and smooth out bra strap lines. There are several types of them. I was hoping that they could give me some support in the upper back that would lead to some pain relief. The pain I had was so immediate and excruciating I couldn't get out of that thing fast enough AND I dropped the idea of a brace. I was also interested in obtaining a Spincor brace at one time. Although there isn't any way to brace my upper curve, my lower curve might be a different story even though it is thoracic, too.

Oh, and fusionless surgery is only available for growing kids so far. It's based on the premise that as the spine grows it straightens out (tethering). I'm not sure about the long term outcomes of VBS because I'm not convinced that the staples won't get metal fatigue and break. Mariaf would know WAY more about that than I do. I think she has a kid who is stapled. Those questions would be good to ask her.

[susancook]

No dog in this fight

I hesitate to even post here as I do not have a dog in this fight, but you guys are truly amazing! I will not be posting here again, but slinging insults at each other is not producitve.
Susan