Cross crawl exercise for S curve- can it do harm?

[LindaRacine]

I would try to find a physical therapist who has a doctorate degree, and who specializes in spine issues.

[titaniumed]

The shoulder rotational stretching movements (at .44) are stretches I have been doing my whole life, and still do them after fusion surgery. I do these while walking actually....and don't consider them as structured exercises, they are more of a necessity for "preventing stiffness" with scoliosis and I do them quite often throughout the day without thinking about it..... I do them forward and backwards. (clockwise and counterclockwise) I also rotate my shoulders without lifting my arms.

The stretches .44, 1.15, and 3:45 are all the same movement. (Open or closed fist)

It's similar to skiers that do a lot of poling, or double poling (both arms together) in cross country skiing. The presenter in the video below explains about poling, angular position, shoulder and spine in cross country skiing. Her graphics are excellent and shows about rounding the lumbar spine (or bending forward) and the consequences on spinal discs at 12:20. Herniation at 13:10 The video was done so well, I had to post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn6g...l=NordicSkiLab

Glad these stretches are helping you....The rest of the movements in the video I do not do.


Ed

[rkochis]

Update on exercise

74 year old - 62T 48L
After 2 + years, I no longer feel sore after doing this exercise. I have added many routines to my daily exercises. The latest is one that I added, I wish I had started years ago.
After 2 weeks there is a noticeable difference in how I feel and my posture. It is easy to do and I look forward to doing it. This is a very popular youtube video with MANY positive comments. I haven't found a negative one yet.
I would be curious if others tried it and get their feedback.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjSllPcEooU

[narayankpl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NlWI0KL8BI

When doing this exercise, I feel a little sore afterwards. I do it after I warm-up with other daily exercises. Is the soreness an indication that I am activating the "short" muscles or it is indication that I may do harm to my body?

It should be a safe exercise. Bit of soreness could be due to some stretch. If it persists only you need to worry.

[titaniumed]

While this is absolutely true, PT can help patients (especially adults) in terms of pain control.

Linda, It does help for "pain control" no doubt. Why and how this works is the big question....

I have stumbled across a helpful You Tube site.... "2 Minute Neuroscience" (2 minutes means you have to talk fast) Smiley face

Pain and the anterolateral pathway system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcOqv0uzyAQ

At 1:51, Endogenous (internal pain killing) Opioid's, help explain that naturally produced analgesia is released upon injury.....

I cant help wondering about the timing and effectiveness of this? We can have a supposed tearing of a muscle, ligament, or tendon, have this reaction happen with varying intensity, over different periods of time.

For example: I broke my arm and shoulder and never bothered with going to the hospital, that pain didn't matter, really didn't feel it, I obviously had major scoliosis degenerative spine pain that possibly overrode this shoulder injury? (I was scheduled for scoliosis surgery anyway in 10 days) Its interesting what happened here. I shattered 3/4 of my humeral head and damaged my supraspinatus tendon.

I also destroyed or finished off my lumbar discs from a really hard ski jump landing in January 2002. The sciatica like pain did not present itself for 2 weeks, but the damage was done to my discs. I know exactly when these injuries happened.

Our CNS can make it hard to know where and when an injury happened. Many times, I would walk in whooped, my Chiros would ask me what happened? What did you do? "I didn't do anything"

How someone can come up with answers to why, when and where a soft tissue injury happened is beyond me.

UCSF study.....natural opioids through exercise. I have always felt better from exercise, never better from synthetic opioids. Injectable's for pain yes, orals, no.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2018/05/41...ently-morphine

This pain thing we have to deal with is such a perplexing problem.

Ed

[LindaRacine]

This is from the SRS site....

It has not been proven that physical therapy can help people with scoliosis.

While this is absolutely true, PT can help patients (especially adults) in terms of pain control.

[titaniumed]

This is from the SRS site....

It has not been proven that physical therapy can help people with scoliosis.

Different physical therapy methods have been designed to offset the effects of scoliosis, and improve the shape and look of your body. There is some scientific evidence to show that physical therapy may help you to look straighter and improve your breathing. However, there is little evidence to show that physical therapy is more effective than doing nothing in stopping the curve from getting worse during growth. If you have spinal problems in addition to your scoliosis (such as back pain), your doctor may prescribe physical therapy to address your specific needs.
https://www.srs.org/patients-and-fam...ent-and-coping

The Yves Cotrel Foundation has "The White Book" for those that want to look at various scoliosis studies. It was founded since the same questions that were asked 70 years ago about scoliosis are still happening today, and it would be nice to have answers for patients. (Some interesting studies in here folks)
http://www.fondationcotrel.org/idiop...-book/?lang=en

There is a video in which Dr Cotrel states that we do know quite a bit about bone, and nothing about soft tissues. (I would like to link but I cant find it now) Dr Cotrel has been thinking about scoliosis a long time. Probably longer than anyone else. He invented the CD system in 1983 and this addressed 3D hardware scoliosis correction.

Linda has CD earrings.... Those are good for scoliosis of the ear. (smiley face) (Do I get post of the month?) No, that's ok.

There is nothing like a good massage for pain......but don't get hooked, this can get expensive. Hot soaks also help for pain....

Blu Emu is sold at Walmart, this runs around $12. I recently bought some Super Blue stuff on Amazon for $59. I used this magical cream many years ago before my surgeries, but have not had that amazing experience that I had years ago with this product for some reason.

Ed

[burdle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NlWI0KL8BI

When doing this exercise, I feel a little sore afterwards. I do it after I warm-up with other daily exercises. Is the soreness an indication that I am activating the "short" muscles or it is indication that I may do harm to my body?

I would suggest a physio won't know this either or won't commit to knowing about it which is one reason why there is a void where exercise information for scoliosis is concerned. I would consult a Schroth Therapist who will at least answer your question in the light of your particular curve.

My experience is that unless your curve is progressing all exercise is good and also probably will hurt a bit as well. There is opinion that certain exercises can feed into a curve and not be helpful but if the curve is static then the exercise probably wont necessarily be effective but wont do any harm

[Pooka1]

Hi. I think you have to ask a physical therapist that question. Nobody here has that answer.

[rkochis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NlWI0KL8BI

When doing this exercise, I feel a little sore afterwards. I do it after I warm-up with other daily exercises. Is the soreness an indication that I am activating the "short" muscles or it is indication that I may do harm to my body?