Quantum Touch!

[flerc]

and remember..."if it sounds too good to be true"...it probably isnt true!!

Yes, probably. I agree. I don't said anything against that.

scoliosis is a structural condition...so psychological treatment is NOT going to straighten a crooked spine!

I could say that I agree too. Also I don't said anything against that. QT founds are not (at least clearly) psychologicals

and please...a cm of growth can be a manipulation of how one stands up to be measured!!!

I can assure that if you measure to me in the exactly way that I used to meassure and if you don't made any kind of manipulation, but only a simple touch, as that people says they make, after an hour, if you meassure me again, you'll obtain exactly the same number of centimeters.

please... please dont throw money away on charlatans or quacks...lots of people like to claim lots of cures that arent real..it used to be called "selling snake oil"..there will always be those willing to take advantage of trusting people...or of desperate people...

I’m sure you are trying to help me and you are sure that QT people cannot do what they says.
Well, I could not say that I not agree. If I should to bet, I’ll bet 2 to 1 that it’s a fraud as you say. Probably 4 to 1. Surely you'll bet 10 to 1, even 100 to 1. 1000 to 1? Would you bet your house? your life? the life of your dear ones?..
I don’t believe that you could do that, it's so simply to say I'm sure of that when nothing could be loose if we are wrong. But if you could, I should to recognize that I’ll should to feel a great admiration for your security.
I know about some atheist with that kind of great security, that when he was abruptly confronted to the most terrific situation that he could ever imagine, he began to pray. I hope you never should to prove your security in that way, even finally that man was grateful for that proof. He fails, her security did not passed that proof, but he changed it by other one.

There exist many conservative methods belonging to the orthodox, occidental... world (such as Abr, Gpr, Fed, Schroth, Seas….), much of them based over scientific researches. When I evaluate if its could works or not, I want to know about those researches and facts and the theory behind that methods. I believe that even that could be say that medicine is not an exact science, it could be analysed the effectiveness of each one of that great methods in a theoretic way. Also I want to make the same with the validity of much affirmations about scoliosis that I always heard.

But when I evaluate possible solutions that not clearly belong to that kind of world, I don't look for facts that could explain if it could works or not. The only fact I want to know is if it worked sometimes or not.
Instead of other kind of facts and arguments I look for clues.
How many therapies do you know, not clearly included into that world, telling about scoliosis what that people say can do and mentioned that in a book that is selling around the world in different languages and has trained people also around the world? They say that exist some esoteric therapies that could be seen as similar, but this is the only one that can moves bones. Why are not all this kind of therapies saying the same?
These are important clues for me

Some people believe in scientific methods or techniques or solutions without a full understanding about how it could works, and some people like me believe that some other kind of solutions belonging to other kinds of worlds could work too. It’s only a matter of beliefs.
It don't means that we could believe in everything not belonging to the scientific world. I take into account some kind of clues to distinguish its, but of course that kind of clues are something subjective.

[flerc]

some see only what they want to see...

jess

I was writing the previous post when I read that and I decided to finish ignoring what you say here.
I could respond to that attack with other greater as I used to do in Politic Forums, but I have not neither interesting not time for that. In fact nothing more ridiculous could be expected in a forum like that.

[flerc]

You said nothing wrong flerc, I just wanted to be sure everyone understood that I was not endorsing the Touch :-) Your English is far better than my Spanish. Yes I agree with you, there are many mysteries that defy scientific explanation. One of my favorite mysteries is Edgar Cayce. Sending you a PM :-)

Ok mamamax . Thank you for send me her email address. I hope he could understand that I only want to know if Spinecor could do what I want to do and not if he thinks if it could works or not.
Thanks again and I’ll tell it to you when I'll recive her reply.

[jrnyc]

flerc
i give up...no more..

i was attacking NO ONE...i was trying to offer advice...but i give up...

and by the way, i read edgar cayce when i was 16 years old!

good luck

jess

[Bigbluefrog]

If its true ...ask for a money back guarantee

my sil recommended something similar it was to re energize the organs...something about her body was pulling away in areas around her pancreas...and that caused her curve...so for $200 I could pay a lady to put gentle pressure on my daughter and do body work/ body energy work similar to Reiki or QT and heal my daughter. the belief comes from healing the energy body ...we have the physical body and spiritual body ...and they believe in an energy body too.

I read up on it...its fascinating really. kinda hard to grasp if your a person with your feet on solid ground. Basically its Eastern medicine....

[Bigbluefrog]

one more thing....I asked for referrals..and never got any...that is a sign you should save your money.....

[Pooka1]

I was writing the previous post when I read that and I decided to finish ignoring what you say here.
I could respond to that attack with other greater as I used to do in Politic Forums, but I have not neither interesting not time for that. In fact nothing more ridiculous could be expected in a forum like that.

Fer,

Jess was not attacking you. Criticism of ideas is not attacking a person.

Everything ever discussed consists only of ideas. No ideas should be immune from criticism because then that is just dogma (misma palabra en español!). Dogma is the enemy of knowledge and learning because it cuts off conversation and in some cases leads to war.

I think maybe this song describes how sad you feel about your daughter's diagnosis from one of my favorite groups, Maná...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pY-2...eature=related

And another one that I just like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B6Q35UWDyE

[rohrer01]

Flerc,
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an open mind. Eastern medicine uses the bodies energies to produce healing, as some people believe. Things like accupuncture, accupressure (this really can relieve symptoms of muscle spasm and headache and even cause contractions in a pregnant woman - tried it with my daughter - but I also think there is more to this one medically by pressing on certain nerve centers), and reflexology use these theories. I have tried reflexology, but found it to have nothing more than the placebo effect, for I got no results from it. I found it a little freaky to go through the procedure. Just don't get SO caught up in things that you don't get taken advantage of. Many people swear by accupuncture for things. I have a friend who is seeing an accupuncturist for GI troubles and feels she is getting relief. Just remember, that there is the placebo effect AND not every treatment method will work for every disease, even if it may seem so in theory. Keep your mind open, and you just may find a way to get your daughter to cooperate and seek the help she needs. Don't get so obsessed about the scoliosis and forget about her. You seem like a GREAT dad!

Kindly,
Rohrer01

[Pooka1]

Good advice in the last post.

I'll just add that you should not have so open a mind such that your brain falls out!

[flerc]

Hola Sharon, a mi también me gusta Mana. Muy buenos los temas, muy expresivos realmente, gracias.

Fer,

Jess was not attacking you. Criticism of ideas is not attacking a person.

Everything ever discussed consists only of ideas. No ideas should be immune from criticism because then that is just dogma (misma palabra en español!). Dogma is the enemy of knowledge and learning because it cuts off conversation and in some cases leads to war.

some see only what they want to see...

jess

it's referring to someone, not to an idea. If someone wants to offers advice, would try to say it in a respect way.
That’s exactly what so many doctors and people who are absolutely sure that conservative methods don't works says to me. They refuse to answer my questions and don’t make me see what kind of mistake I’m making in what I say, they only try to convince me, but I don' want to believe blindly in anyone, it would be some kind of dogma.
But even if nobody had never told me that before, this is an aggression and a so direct one. In fact I prefer that kind of verbal aggression than others like irony, but anyway is an attack. This could only be say about people so much illogic, irrational, or desperate.
May be one day I could fall into this category, but not yet!

[flerc]

one more thing....I asked for referrals..and never got any...that is a sign you should save your money.....

thanks Bigbluefrog, that's the kind of signs I'm looking for. In fact I have a big problem with referrals. I must to believe I'm so bad looking for them. Only once I was decided to find its because I was so shocked with what I read about a method than I wanted to talk with someone that proved it and finally I found so many of them, but after some days. It was ABR http://www.blyum.com/ABR_concept.html
I found a yahoo group. But nobody out of these group I had never found, so I think that much referrals could exist even I could not read about them, but I trust in you and I'll take in account what you said.