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Originally posted by burdle View PostI am not sure we can equate evidence with truth though. Truth has to be a constant evidence doesn't
There is overwhelming evidence that the earth is older than a few thousands years. Thus it is true that the earth is older than a few thousand years. That is constant.
There is a bucket of evidence that surgeons do not tend to offer Spinecor because it doesn't seem to work. Thus it is true that most surgeons don't offer Spinecor. That may change but I doubt it.
Peter Newton (top ped spine surgeon) SAID his group tried to make Spinecor work but failed. Thus Peter Newton dos not offer Spinecor to his patients. That is constant.
People can and do take issue with all these things and claim they aren't true. But the evidence suggests they are true.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
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Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
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Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostI am not equating them. Truth is a function of evidence (amount, quality, coherence with other evidence, etc.). There is overwhelming evidence that water is two atoms of hydrogen and one atom oxygen. Thus it is true that the chemical formula is H20. That is constant.
There is overwhelming evidence that the earth is older than a few thousands years. Thus it is true that the earth is older than a few thousand years. That is constant.
There is a bucket of evidence that surgeons do not tend to offer Spinecor because it doesn't seem to work. Thus it is true that most surgeons don't offer Spinecor. That may change but I doubt it.
Peter Newton (top ped spine surgeon) SAID his group tried to make Spinecor work but failed. Thus Peter Newton dos not offer Spinecor to his patients. That is constant.
People can and do take issue with all these things and claim they aren't true. But the evidence suggests they are true.
I am not arguing for or against spinecor- jjust enjoying the 'philosophy'Last edited by burdle; 06-28-2017, 05:01 AM.
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Originally posted by burdle View PostAll 'true' but for example Spinecor Doctors originally claimed that the brace would 'work'- that wasn't true but it wasn't a falsehood either - at the time the evidence indicated this. Later with more evidence we know that it doesn't work as first thought. It is true that most surgeons do not offer it but it is neither true nor false that it doesn't work because at some point I 'worked' for 'some'.
I am not arguing for or against spinecor- jjust enjoying the 'philosophy'
I don't believe Spinecor ever worked and was shown to work in a correctly designed experiment.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostThe Spinecor developers HOPED it would work. They can't claim it works until they gather evidence. They did publish papers putatively showing it worked but other surgeons did not believe them. I know this because a surgeon told me these papers were widely disbelieved among surgeons. I don't think they were saying it was outright fraud but rather poor design and the general problem of doing science well. Surgeons are MDs and that is not a research degree. There are joint MD/PhD programs for a reason. I am not saying MDs can't come up to speed. Many do come up to speed. I am saying some don't and still publish.
I don't believe Spinecor ever worked and was shown to work in a correctly designed experiment.
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Originally posted by burdle View PostPoint taken. I think I would then use the word 'reality' rather than 'truth'Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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