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  • D3 – D12 VERTEBRA - Translation please?

    Translation please. Are D3 - D12 vetebra terms familiar to anyone on the forum? Idiopathic Scoliosis - Right Rib Hump

    I see things expressed as T3 or L7, but don't see any "D"s.

    How should we interpret this diagnosis?

    Mark's Mom
    in Muscat, Oman

  • #2
    Hi Mark's Mom...

    I think that, in some countries, they use different designations for the vertebrae. I'm not positive, but I think D may be dorsal. And, I'm fairly certain that D1-D12 is the same as T1-T12.

    Regards,
    Linda
    Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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    Surgery 2/10/93 A/P fusion T4-L3
    Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation

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    • #3
      I agree with Linda. I have seen dorsal used in the professional literature regarding vertebrae but I forget where.
      Original scoliosis surgery 1956 T-4 to L-2 ~100 degree thoracic (triple)curves at age 14. NO hardware-lost correction.
      Anterior/posterior revision T-4 to Sacrum in 2002, age 60, by Dr. Boachie-Adjei @Hospital for Special Surgery, NY = 50% correction

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      • #4
        Hi Mark's Mom,

        Just as info.

        Vertebraes are divided into 3 groups

        Starting at the top of the spine and going down:
        Cervical region has 7 vertebrae identified as C1 - C7
        Thoracic region has 12 vertebrae identified as T1-T12
        Lumbar region has 5 vertebrae identified as L1-L5

        Below that is two other bones:
        Sacrum(5 seperates bones when you are born and they fuse together as you grow)
        Coccyx (tailbone)

        I hope this helps.

        Kindest Regards,
        Gail

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        • #5
          Hi Marks mom ,
          I'm also a mom to a boy with scoliosis. He required surgery to fix his, but only after we tried the boston brace for eighteen months. My neice has also been diagonosed with scoliosis here lately. When she went to her family doctor, he took x-rays and the report came back with this "D" term too. It was new to me too, for Shanes vertebras were always considered either "T" or "L". When I asked my sisiter about the "D" term, she said he considered it her Dorsal lumbar spine. So I guess this makes sence to me. She is going to be seeing my sons orthopaedic specialist, so it will be interesting to see if he terms it with dorsal spine or not. I hope this has helped somewhat. Good luck to you and your son. If you ever need any support, I'm here for you to talk to. For I know how fustrating it can get.
          LeaEvelyn

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          • #6
            Hi...

            I was fairly certain that dorsal = thoracic and not lumbar, so I went looking:

            ww.nass.co.uk/spine.htm

            --Linda
            Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
            ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Surgery 2/10/93 A/P fusion T4-L3
            Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation

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            • #7
              Hi Linda, LeaEvelyn, Gail, and Karen,

              Thank you so much for your insights and generous support. I found your thoughts very helpful, especially the website link.

              Just back from the States where we saw a Pediatric Orthopedic surgeon at one of top 5 hospitals in U.S. He was extremely helpful and informative. The curve is much worse than we expected - its at 50 degrees.

              Therefore, we've scheduled surgery for June, and of course will seek a second opinion in Jan. as practical consumers of health care, especially for such a dramatic surgery.

              The glitch is that they are evaluating him for possible Marfan's Syndrome. It was enough for us to begin to comprehend back surgery, but possible heart and lung trouble comes as an extra blow. Mark's dad says it's like you go in to see a mechanic for new brakes, then he tells you you need a new engine. So we'll go back in Jan. to see a geneticist. Now trying to learn as much as poss. about Marfan's.

              Thank you for your kind assistance. It really helps me to communicate with others in the same spot. LeaEvelyn, when is your son's surgery scheduled?

              mark's mom
              Muscat, Oman

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              • #8
                Hi Mark's Mom,
                Shane has already had his surgerys. His first one was a year ago November 9th. He wrote a story about his experience with both. Yes, he required two within a four month period. His story can be found on the Spine Kids forum. To bring up the page, it is www.spinekids.com/shane.shtml. He was also checked for the Marfans syndrome. His ortho doctor thought his complication was due to this type of disorder. He had some of the signs of it too, like being really tall, high pallet in his mouth, ect. But when he had the tests done, they came back negitive. It was a blood test that was done on him to find out if he had it or not. If you have any more questions, just let me know, I will help you if I can. Or even if you would just like to talk, I'm here.
                Take Care
                LeaEvelyn

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                • #9
                  Wow LeaEvelyn...what a strong and courageous young man your son is. He has really shown enormous bravery in what was surely a heart-wrenching experience for all parties.

                  Also, your son's detailed account helped me know that my son will have to donate his own blood 2 months prior to surgery. How they'll do that, I do not know, as we live overseas and are planning surgery in U.S. We'll do whatever it takes.

                  Thank you for your son's descriptive account of his experience. He's already helped us. Thank you.

                  mark's mom

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                  • #10
                    Hi Mark's Mom,
                    It is such an honor to help others who are now going through the struggle of dealing with scoliosis. That is one of the main reasons Shane wrote a story to share. He felt alone with this deformity. None of the kids in his school had ever heard of scoliosis. When he was told he needed a second surgery, there was a few comments made by a couple of students like, {oh, you just want more time off}. This I wasn't going to stand for. So I made arrangements with his science teacher, to have a couple of hours of class time to teach them about scoliosis. I think it was the best thing I have ever done. I had the teacher scan his x-rays, and used them as a visual tool, to show them what a curved spine accually looks like. They enjoyed the time I spent with them, and most of them had lots of questions. By the time class was over, they had a new respect for Shane. They found it was no walk in the park dealing with all the issues of scoliosis.
                    I'm so glad his story has helped your family, the main fact is, you are not alone, even though at times you may feel like you are. Remember, we are active on this support site for a reason, and that is to help anyone and everyone we possibly can. Even if I can make a difference in one persons life, I am happy.
                    Take Care
                    LeaEvelyn

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