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    Schroth clinical studies

    I am looking for clinical studies showing that schroth works

    Anyone find any clinical studies in the united states?

    I only found this:
    http://www.schrothmethod.com/index.p...liosis-studies

    INteresting but not exactly what I am looking for..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbluefrog View Post
    I am looking for clinical studies showing that schroth works
    Everyone has been looking for those. Nobody has found them yet.

    Schroth been around for several decades which is NOT a point in their favor at this time because they have had ample time to prove their approach works and they have not.

    I sent the Schroth claims to Quackwatch a while back. Here is the thread if you are interested... it deals with their publications which iis what you asked about...

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8179

    A main proponent of Schroth is Herr Doktor Weiss, an orthopedic surgeon and grandson of the inventor of Schroth. He has published at least one quacky "debate" article that doesn't acknowledge the several health reasons for surgery but instead claims fusion is only needed for cosmetic reasons in all but the most severe cases. I would like to ask him why all the insurance companies are paying out six figures for cosmetic surgery when they don't pay for any other cosmetic surgery.

    A poster here says that Schroth is considered fringe even in its native Germany and that there are plenty of folks walking around loose with large curves. If Schroth obviously worked, neither of those results would obtain.

    Just my opinion.
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    Quackwatch is a joke

    Anyone truly doing their research isn't going to rely on Quackwatch for advice. While there may be some valid points on the site, its head, Stephen Barrett, is a retired psychologist, not an expert on the innumerable alternatives he so quickly dismisses.

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    They do have a lot of experts providing the advice though, it's not just Stephen Barrett. This is a list of their medical advisors:

    http://www.quackwatch.org/09Advisors/medadvbd.html


    It looks quite impressive to me, they have many professors of medicine there.

    I wish the Schroth chaps would get their act together and get some independent clinical studies done! The therapy certainly seems to help with pain and posture and there are a lot of anecdotal reports that it prevents the progression of curves.

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    There are many physicians and surgeons on their board. And, I am sure they make some valid points. But, there are no scoliosis specialists from what I see.

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    I agree that Schroth studies need to be updated. But, that doesn't give Quackwatch authority to dismiss it.

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    It's true that they don't appear to have scoliosis specialists, but as they are well-respected and very experienced medical professors I'm happy with their abilities to assess the clinical info that is currently available on Schroth, as per what they sent to Pooka.

    They haven't written a page stating that Schroth is a quack technique, they've simply given their professional opinion in response to Pooka's query, and have drawn the same conclusions that sceptical people here have - that there aren't any truly independent studies yet.

    It really, really would be fantastic if they could get these done! Out of all the alternative techniques, Schroth seems to be the one that is on to something. However they have opened themselves up to scepticism by not producing these studies, especially since the technique has been around for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bas2101 View Post
    Anyone truly doing their research isn't going to rely on Quackwatch for advice. While there may be some valid points on the site, its head, Stephen Barrett, is a retired psychologist, not an expert on the innumerable alternatives he so quickly dismisses.
    Dr. Barrett did not do the review. He asked an expert in the field to do the review. It is not clear if the expert who did the review is on the board or not.

    As Quackwatch is part of the solution, not part of the problem, it strains credulity to think he would ask a non-expert to rebview Schroth's publications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bas2101 View Post
    There are many physicians and surgeons on their board. And, I am sure they make some valid points. But, there are no scoliosis specialists from what I see.
    I never said Dr. Barrett nor anyone on his present board did the review.

    You merely assumed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bas2101 View Post
    I agree that Schroth studies need to be updated. But, that doesn't give Quackwatch authority to dismiss it.
    Quackwatch didn't dismiss Schroth.

    They simply made some (rather obvious) comments about Schroth's publications to date.

    I always find it interesting that honest facts stated about alternative treatments are often viewed as dismissive rather than factual.

    Just because folks want an alternative treatment to be effective and to be able to avoid surgery doesn't make it so. An alternative treatment doesn't HAVE to exist just by virtue of people not wanting surgery. I think this point escapes many folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonibunny View Post
    It really, really would be fantastic if they could get these done!
    At some point when a method has been around ~90 years and there is still no evidence and it is being touted by someone with medical training (Weiss) and it is still considered a fringe treatment in the country oif origin, the lack of evidence becomes conspicuous by its absence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    At some point when a method has been around ~90 years and there is still no evidence and it is being touted by someone with medical training (Weiss) and it is still considered a fringe treatment in the country oif origin, the lack of evidence becomes conspicuous by its absence.
    Yes, that is a massive problem. It makes people very suspicious as to why they haven't been producing independent controlled studies. If it works, what have they got to hide?

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    Check out the links to photos...the evidence is in the picture. It s very easy to get on the lecture path..but what I want is written information.
    WE started schroth therapy, unfortunately Ins is not covering it. Due to no united states clinical studies, doesn't matter if Spain and Europe has studies...although I would be interested in reading those as well.

    Exercises are proven to be a way to help with bracing and correcting the spine, it is helpful, and reading more and more on Schroth method and SEAS exercises...clinical studies prove that combined with exercise therapy has improved outcome.

    read the study:
    http://www.scoliosisjournal.com/content/3/1/20

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18432435?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez. Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.P ubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedreviews&l ogdbfrom=pubmed

    scoliosissos.com

    http://scoliosissystems.files.wordpr...9/09/sco01.jpg

    Scoliosis and Exercise

    Then just when you think you have the answers something else comes into the mix.

    My feeling is this, on this forum of all the people using Schroth therapy and are having success speaks volumes to me...more so than a study or paper.
    Its the insurance co. that is being difficult.

    Long term study on Boston brace is not encouraging either...that is covered by ins. It has an increase average of 6 degrees after weaning.

    My brain hurts...lol
    Quack watch interesting..I will read into it, last time I read up on it found it to be very closed minded...strictly western medicine
    Last edited by Bigbluefrog; 11-02-2009 at 12:07 PM.
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    T10 L 20 in brace 4/2010
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    Wearing a Boston brace and Schroth therapy
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    The anecdotal reports of Schroth working are very encouraging, which is why I find it so frustrating that they haven't been getting independent studies done! If they did, maybe the world's scoliosis surgeons would take them more seriously.

    This study on SEAS is encouraging too, but note that it concerns an adult rather than a growing child. I was in touch with Hans Weiss a few years back; he told me that for children with very progressive curves who are going through growth spurts, a well-fitting custom-made brace is needed because the Schroth exercises alone cannot always hold the curves. It's probably a good idea to bear this in mind, and perhaps get in touch with Dr Weiss if you need more clarification. He speaks and writes excellent English.

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    A Rare Admission from the Orthopedic Community

    Dr. Charles Edwards II of the Maryland Spine Center at the Mercy Medical Center recently made a rather startling, yet not surprising admission in the Baltimore Sun newspaper. The Article entitled “Exercise Can Reduce Scoliosis Symptoms” does a relatively accurate job of profiling the disease and Dr. Edwards discusses various methodologies of managing and treating scoliosis. As the title implies active rehabilitation of the spine can and will reduce symptoms of scoliosis, but the article omits is that active rehabilitation of the spine can reduce the scoliosis itself. I have seen and read many of the studies showing how exercise protocols that include core strengthening exercises like sit-ups, chin-ups, and pelvic tilts have no effect on scoliotic curvatures, but those studies have over-looked on critical aspect of the disease.
    The Baltimore Sun June 8th: "Exercise can reduce scoliosis symptoms"

    The Baltimore Sun June 8th: "Exercise can reduce scoliosis symptoms"

    Scoliosis is primarily a disease of neurological control of the spine in response to gravity. In short, the brain is incorrectly perceiving gravity and therefore mis-orienting the spine accordingly. This is why scoliosis is 5 times more common in the blind population, but only 25% as likely in the hearing impaired population. However, neurological control doesn’t seem to be the only factor involved in the progression of the disease. Spinal curvatures under 20 degrees have an approximately 22% risk of progression, but the risk of progression jumps to 68% for curvatures 20-29 degrees. This dramatic jump in progression rates can probably be contributed to the increased “coil down” effect seen at this stage of the disease. No one seems to know why the “coil down” effect occurs, but it appears to be connected to adverse mechanical tension on the spinal cord. This also explains why the bending and rotation patterns appear to become “uncoupled” when the curvature reaches or surpasses the 30 degree angle mark. The normal coupled bending and rotation pattern normally forces the spinal cord over the outside of the curvature which increase tension on the spinal cord, but maintains a relatively low amount of torque in the spinal curvature; however, when the spinal curvature reaches 30 degrees or larger, the bending and rotation pattern become uncoupled and the rotation component begins turning towards the inside part of the curvature. While this has the effect of reducing the tension on the spinal cord by allowing the cord to travel through the inside part of the curvature, but has the negative effect of creating a massive amounts torque in the spinal curvature. This has a tremendously negative effect on the curvature and dramatically increases the “coil down” effect and curve progression.

    .....www.fixscoliosis.com/tag/scoliosis/
    age 15
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    T20 l23 10-09
    T27 L27 1/2010

    T10 L 20 in brace 4/2010
    T22 L25 12/2010 out of brace
    T24 L25 7/2011 out of brace

    Type 1 diabetes- pumping
    Wearing a Boston brace and Schroth therapy
    Faith, Hope, and Love- the greatest of these is Love


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