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    Clear video - claims to cure scoliosis with hand-held jigsaw (in part)

    http://www.precision-spine.com/testimonials/

    3:19 - Modified hand held jigsaw "explained."

    4:56 - Claims their techniques (hand-held jigsaw being one part) can cure scoliosis.
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    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    word play

    Please remember that the jig saw is "HEAVILY" modified.

    That's a bogus statement if I ever heard one.

    Its funny how much marketing "gimmicks" come into play in today's world of advertising. It is happening in many different areas and seems to be happening more and more these days. Anything for the sale, and all that matters is the bottom line.

    Auto manufacturers that use the word "cockpit" in describing the drivers area of a car, is one that I get a kick out of. If you were in court, and used "cockpit", the statement would be clarified, even though its definition includes the drivers area of a car.

    Cockpit means, the pilots area of an airplane, or spacecraft. Not a Volkswagen beetle

    "Your honor, I saw the train coming from the cockpit of my Volkswagen beetle"
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    I always thought that the word "correction" meant to make accurate. In other words, the word is black or white. Either its correct or its not.

    "Effective correction" means a complete 100% restoration. Not a minimum 25% improvement in Cobb angles.

    Just thought I would make a "correction" to the statement "effective correction" from the website.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong. English is a tough language.
    Ed
    PS, I do drive a VW, and have had thousands of Chiropractic adjustments for the last 25 years.
    49 yr old male, now 58, the new 53...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Ti Ed, are you saying my thread title is a bogus statement?

    I wanted to use the word "modified" in the title and not just in the body but the title was already long and I was afraid it would cut off. I didn't know if I could fit all the words needed to explain this new and wondrous medical advance on the scoliosis scene.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    heavily

    Yes, You forgot the word "heavily". LOL

    Michael Jacksons face was not modified, it was "heavily modified" Big difference there.

    I dont think that the 'Clear" method is all that new. Its been around for a while now.

    After trying all sorts of non-surgical techniques through the years being afraid of surgery, I have to admit that it did buy me time. My surgical decision came from the intense pain that I was in. Big curves when older can be quite painful.

    If someone is afraid and wants to buy time, and can get pain relief through any alternative methods, thats great. I reccomend ocean therapy, since its free.

    I would not reccomend hitting the ocean "heavily". One could sink.
    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 58, the new 53...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Hey Ti Ed,

    I don't disagree with anything you wrote.

    I didn't mean to imply Clear was new but I think heavily modified hand-held jig saws might be a new component of this approach, yes?

    And speaking of not being new, I can't seem to find when Clear was started. If it is more than a few years ago as I suspect it is, then they have some 'spainin' to do about not having and published evidence of efficacy to stuff or reduce curves permanently.

    I believe you and others who claim PT helps relieve pain in adults. I am targeting the more effusive claims with my skepticism.
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    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
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    Hi...

    We started talking about it here in early 2006 I think. I found a Clear practitioner who was willing to treat a patient at no charge, and would only get paid if she could significantly reduce her curve, which would be monitored by an SRS physician. We found the chiropractor, patient, and physician, had everything ready to go, and then the chiropractor disappeared.

    --Linda

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Hi...

    We started talking about it here in early 2006 I think. I found a Clear practitioner who was willing to treat a patient at no charge, and would only get paid if she could significantly reduce her curve, which would be monitored by an SRS physician. We found the chiropractor, patient, and physician, had everything ready to go, and then the chiropractor disappeared.
    "I'm shocked, SHOCKED to find gambling going on in this establishment!"

    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
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    Sharon

    I know you don't disagree, I'm just focusing on words used in advertising.

    I have no idea about the jig saw thing. I do know that they use vibrating chairs. Seems like a viable concept, and it probably feels good. What it is worth? I don't know. I first heard about it about 5 years ago. I'm not interested in Clear.

    It is great that NSF is available. Years ago, the dark ages, we had to wing it..... I never met anyone with scoli till I met with Suzy recently down at a scoli meeting in Sacramento. 3% of the population has scoli, and I went 33 years without meeting any others with scoli. Hard to believe, isn't it?

    Anyone who has scoliosis, or parents of scolis, really needs to be at least reading on this forum. Its an invaluable learning and communicative tool. Thanks to Joe and Linda

    I notice quite a few new members that have recently been diagnosed. Its been quite a few years since I was dxd (1974) and I feel for them. I had many years to think about things and I see people making decisions very quickly, which is scary. The most difficult decisions of ones life, need careful consideration. As an example,using this forum helps with people that are unaware of "word play" used regardless of who they are.

    A little bit of greed is ok, too much is bad. That goes for everybody. Oh yeah, add the word power to that statement also.

    My surgeon went to school for 19 years. His school debt is phenomenal! It takes a long long time to pay off that principal and interest. When he refused to do my surgeries in the beginning, I felt that was a good sign. He could have said "lets bang it out tomorrow" but he wanted me to fully understand and he wanted me online. After about 3 years of visits, and several meetings, we both finally decided to go and do my surgery. There is an example of not being greedy. He also thought about my spine for 3 years before my operation..........

    I'm not saying wait 3 years, its just what happened to me.
    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 58, the new 53...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    I'm not saying wait 3 years, its just what happened to me.
    Ed
    I completely understand waiting in your case. It was a big decision for many reasons.

    But in the case of my one kid for sure and likely for the other, we had no choice. There was nothing to debate. Savannah's curve was never documented to move less than 5* a month and that went on for the entire observation period until surgery (7 months). Surgery can't credibly be called a "choice" given her circumstances. Willow's curve was start and stop but it achieved lift off velocity in the last 6 months before her surgery (3-4 degrees a month).

    Talk about word play.
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    Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
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    Im talking about being diagnosed and setting the surgery date 30 days later.

    4 weeks. Ive put more thought into switching my cats food.

    His name was BK. (bad kitty) 33 lbs

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 58, the new 53...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    He died you know.

    I must have picked the wrong food.

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 58, the new 53...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Firstly, you had a 33 pound cat?

    Damn.

    Secondly, well I guess some people don't realize they have a curve until it is well within surgical territory and moving like a freight train. They don't have a choice but to get surgery relatively quickly so the decision is easy.
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    Yup. 33 lbs With a head the size of a softball.

    He would jump into my lap on my recliner and it was like getting hit with a bag of fertilizer. He would also do that to my guests. He was like Charlie the lonesome cougar. That was a 60s Disney movie.

    He would let himself out. I would come home and the front door was wide open. I thought I was losing my mind till I saw him turn the deadbolt and twist the doorknob. I had to change the locks because of my cat. If I could have taught him to close the door, that would have been great. He would have made Letterman. He died in 1998, and I couldn't replace him.

    Not everybody moves like a freight train...... I stood still for a long long time. About 20 years.
    Savannahs 5 degree per month movement had to have been a hormone growth spurt issue. I don't know if adults ever move that fast.
    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 58, the new 53...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    Yup. 33 lbs With a head the size of a softball.

    He would jump into my lap on my recliner and it was like getting hit with a bag of fertilizer. He would also do that to my guests. He was like Charlie the lonesome cougar. That was a 60s Disney movie.

    He would let himself out. I would come home and the front door was wide open. I thought I was losing my mind till I saw him turn the deadbolt and twist the doorknob. I had to change the locks because of my cat. If I could have taught him to close the door, that would have been great. He would have made Letterman. He died in 1998, and I couldn't replace him.
    He sounds wonderful! Did you really name him BK? Would love to see a picture.

    Check this out...

    http://catsthatarefat.wordpress.com/

    http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress....-smallest-cat/

    I remember "Charlie the Lonesome Cougar" very well.
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    33lbs! That is SO huge, I thought my cat Monty was massive....he's 24lb of solid muscle and the size of a West Highland White terrier

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...5_Jan_2004.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...anowebsize.jpg

    Do you have any pics of your cat Ed? I'd love to see them!

    (apologies for going off-topic btw)

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