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    Scoliscore - Jess's buddy Lonner and interesting comments

    I saw this posted on Fix's site...

    http://www.scoliscore.com/patient-re...0/Default.aspx

    N.B. Lonner is a paid consultant for Scoliscore per the final credits on the video. I'd like to know whether he holds any Axial Biotech in his stock portfolio also.

    Three points:

    1. his opening statement is that scoliosis *is* a genetic condition point blank,

    2. they are saying the test is for girls and boys though still only Caucasians between 9 and 13, and

    3. by Federal law, the test can only be performed on order of a physician and the results can only be reported to the ordering physician.

    This last point of course triggers the question of how Clear is able to perform the test and ever get the results back which I think they said they are doing.
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    I'd be surprised if Dr. Lonner didn't hold Axial Biotech stock. This is pretty standard in the industry, and is (NOW) always disclosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    I'd be surprised if Dr. Lonner didn't hold Axial Biotech stock. This is pretty standard in the industry, and is (NOW) always disclosed.
    Well they said he was a paid consultant but if they said he held stock I missed it.
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    I don't understand why only caucasians. It was stated in the video that most African Americans have a very HIGH percentage of caucasian genes. We are such a mixture of races anymore, I don't know if anyone can truly call themselves anything. I don't think this should have a racial boundary. Sorry, I think it's just wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rohrer01 View Post
    I don't understand why only caucasians. It was stated in the video that most African Americans have a very HIGH percentage of caucasian genes. We are such a mixture of races anymore, I don't know if anyone can truly call themselves anything. I don't think this should have a racial boundary. Sorry, I think it's just wrong.
    You're right... race is a myth. We are all African. There are no sub-species within humans like there are in other species. Humans are remarkably well-mixed. I think Oglivie said there is a 60% overlap between Blacks and Caucasians. I thought it was higher so I might try to check him on that. People are generally so ignorant about this and a boatload of other science.

    Anyway the issue of thinking the test is only accurate with Caucasians triggers the question of whether they are indeed finding only AIS genes unless a different set of genes is responsible for AIS in non-Caucasians. I don't know whether they simply didn't test this with non-Caucasians or what because given the known high degree of mixing, I would expect it to work with the same accuracy in anybody.

    The most interesting question is if Clear is offering the test and getting the results back. That is against Federal law, they are not equipped to interpret it, and they don't have the relevant training to pursue the appropriate treatment. These are children we are talking about.
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    hmmmmm...i dont get why this is so awful....any more so than Dr Anand having a financial interest in the equipment they use during his minimal invasive surgery technique...i guess lots of doctors nowadays have financial interest in stuff related to their specialties...
    could someone please explain what is so wrong with this...cause i am ignorant here...
    i still like him for my surgeon! so i guess he is still my buddy

    thanks
    jess

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrnyc View Post
    hmmmmm...i dont get why this is so awful....any more so than Dr Anand having a financial interest in the equipment they use during his minimal invasive surgery technique...i guess lots of doctors nowadays have financial interest in stuff related to their specialties...
    could someone please explain what is so wrong with this...cause i am ignorant here...
    i still like him for my surgeon! so i guess he is still my buddy

    thanks
    jess
    NO! Not awful! I just want to know how much he likes it or whether it stops at getting paid to talk about it.

    If he holds stock then maybe I want to hold stock. That's what I meant.

    I mentioned Axial Biotech to my husband to investigate for our portfolio and I think if all these top surgeons hold boatloads of Axial Biotech stock then that might matter to our decision to hold or not and for how long.
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    oh...OK...good...if the stock does well, maybe all you guys can benefit!
    yeaaaaa Dr Lonner!

    jess

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrnyc View Post
    oh...OK...good...if the stock does well, maybe all you guys can benefit!
    yeaaaaa Dr Lonner!

    jess
    From that video I can see why you like him as your surgeon. He has a very good manner about him.
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    yup...i find him to be confident without being arrogant....compassionate and wise...great combination!

    jess

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrnyc View Post
    hmmmmm...i dont get why this is so awful....any more so than Dr Anand having a financial interest in the equipment they use during his minimal invasive surgery technique...i guess lots of doctors nowadays have financial interest in stuff related to their specialties...
    could someone please explain what is so wrong with this...cause i am ignorant here...
    i still like him for my surgeon! so i guess he is still my buddy

    thanks
    jess
    Jess,

    You're right - it's very common from what I understand for doctors to have financial ties to some of the stuff related to their specialties. That alone would never sway my opinion of a doctor. I don't know Dr. Lonner personally but since he performs VBS I know some of the parents of his patients - and they (unanimously) adore him. His peers also seem to think the world of him. So he seems to have quite a few "buddies" out there
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    thanks, mariaf...good to know others feel the same way that i do!

    jess

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrnyc View Post
    yup...i find him to be confident without being arrogant....compassionate and wise...great combination!

    jess
    Funny, you also just decribed Dr. Betz perfectly

    The two of them seem to have a very good professional relationship from what I can tell - and I can understand why.
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    Too dilute

    Okay Scoliscore is being marketed for Axial Biotech, Inc. by DePuy Spine, Inc. which is an operating company of DePuy, Inc. which is a Johnson & Johnson company.

    So to play Scoliscore, all you can do is buy Johnson and Johnson.

    http://www.investor.jnj.com/stock-information.cfm
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    Glad no one is questioning Dr. Lonner's integrity. I am scheduled for surgery with him on June 8th! This is a fascinating test. Is it routinely performed? My scoliosis was diagnosed at age 10 or 11. I wore a brace through "junior high," as it was called at the time, and it did nothing. I hope today's braces are more effective.

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