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  • #31
    Sharon

    With the element of risk involved here, it is most logical to suggest some sort of physical restriction. Granted, some might know some of the data as far as healing time is concerned and it could be a short period of time with children, others might not know about new data and it is just safer for the Doctors to tell patients "take it easy" With children, that's impossible and a Doctor might say don't worry about restricting your children. Tying your kids up and locking them in the closet till they heal wont work!

    The period of time that is used is gathered from available research. They could have a record of a very short time, much shorter that 6 months, but then again it would be wise to round up higher and be safe with the 6 month figure. Its all about statistics and rounding. This data is thought out very carefully and published and is the standard. It is gathered from different groups of patients.

    The parameters here vary quite a bit from healing and fusion rates for an infant vs a 100 year old individual. Babies have the stem cells working overtime and unfortunately the elder patient doesn't have that going for them. Cells just don't have the ability to regenerate when older and that's why this research is so important. ( I know I sound like Nancy Reagan).

    They are not pulling this out of thin air due to the fact that they have been working on BMP for the last 50 years. There is data on bone fusion someplace and my suggestion would be watch all of these videos first. You could also contact Dr Jens Chapman up at University of Washington

    http://www.researchchannel.org/prog/...t.aspx?fID=569
    type in scoliosis, scoliosis fusion or anything of intrest

    Most people think that if something is made of "metal" that it is impervious to destruction.This is not the case. Its funny how we are switching to ceramics, composites, plastics and polymers in quite a few of our military applications.

    As far as the material selection is concerned, quite a few factors are weighed out and of course the material has to be malleable and it also has to be corrosion resistant. Titanium is known by the general public as being light in weight hence bicycle parts.
    It is very resistant to corrosion. It is used in underwater submarines ROVs due to that fact. Salt water tests are performed on metals for corrosion. This data is available through Carpenter Technologies in Redding, Penn.

    My hardware was produced by Synthes. Dr Menmuir selected the Pangea system for me.

    http://us.synthes.com/Products/Spine...gea+System.htm

    This will keep you busy for a while! LOL

    The screws have a non-linear pitch dia, and non linear lead. I'm assuming elliptical. I'm assuming that with all the research done through the years with all the Doctors and Engineers they decided that they wanted the screws torqued at 15Nm. With the screw constantly tightening down as it is driven, the bone material compresses and chips due to bone being a hard material and until the adhesion occurs there could be a possibility of it backing out and loosening. I don't know what this time period is, its a good question.

    Since the rods have to be bent to conform to the needed shape,the weakest point will be at the bends. If someone bends the rods then the area around the cage will be altered and I'm guessing that that isn't all that good. The cage could move and that could be a problem with saggital and coronal balance hence more surgery to correct the problem. I wouldn't think you would want to heal crooked.

    I don't know why a non union would occur, I do know that the older you are, your chances are higher, and this is why they selected to use BMP on me. One would think that any movement would be detrimental to fusion.

    One thing that is interesting is the fact that rods will break with a non-union. From what I've read, it always happens. It must be the fatigue factor from the movement. Like taking a carrot and bending it back and forth till it breaks. I wonder why they just don't go larger in diameter on the rods?

    cont
    Last edited by titaniumed; 10-29-2008, 07:16 PM.
    49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
    Pre surgery curves T70,L70
    ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    • #32
      In manufacturing systems, being ISO registered is proof that at least you are compliant to your own quality system within the boundries.

      It is a process that involves documentation of procedures used to do something.

      If those procedures are in question? Then documenting becomes problematic and thus in an evolving situation like spinal surgery, things are not always black and white.

      http://www.researchchannel.org/prog/...t.aspx?fID=569
      type in scoliosis, scoliosis fusion or anything

      http://us.synthes.com/Products/Power...wered+systems/
      Now thats not a makita!


      Hope this helps a little

      Ed
      Last edited by titaniumed; 10-29-2008, 07:25 PM.
      49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
      Pre surgery curves T70,L70
      ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
      Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

      Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

      My x-rays
      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

      http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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      • #33
        Ed, very interesting material! Thank you for typing it all out.

        The video you posted errored out but I had the site bookmarked previously. Thanks for reminding me about it.

        Love the Synthes site. Very, very interesting.

        My kid goes back for her 8 month post-op appointment on 10 November, a day before her birthday which is on Veteran's Day. I expect she will get a big gift from the surgeon of having her restrictions lifted. At her 6 week appointment, he said he would release her at 8 months and I certainly hope the radiographs support that.

        I'm going to ask the surgeon about some of this material when I see him. I have another kid facing possible fusion... we'll likely know at her appointment in March if she will need fusion based on recent progression data.

        Thanks again, Ed. I appreciate it.

        sharon
        Last edited by Pooka1; 10-29-2008, 07:52 PM.
        Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

        No island of sanity.

        Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
        Answer: Medicine


        "We are all African."

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        • #34
          Sharon

          The links are corrected now. Im sure your daughter will be fine and dandy!

          Show this to your Doctor, just let me get my kickbacks lined up first! LOL

          Oh, I almost forgot! I promise more comedy on my next post.

          Everyone is saying, "Oh No not again"

          Ed
          49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
          Pre surgery curves T70,L70
          ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
          Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

          Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
          http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

          My x-rays
          http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

          http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Pooka1 View Post
            Pam, the reason why you think this is going in circles is that none of your points are relevant to what I'm asking. For example, the need for hardware in fusion is irrelevant to the question of whether that hardware can avoid pseudoarthrosis in all but the worst trauma....

            Either surgeons have some rudimentary baseline knowledge of this or they are pulling this stuff entirely out of thin air. Pick one please.
            Why don't you pick one, Sharon? You want answers that don't exist. And I have other things to do.

            You had one child with a (so far) successful fusion (and restrictions) - and one that may need one. I get that.

            What I *don't* get (the scientist rationalization, I will nicely say, is becoming increasingly OCD), is WHY are you wasting YOUR time analyzing every single aspect of it all, and wasting YOUR time to nail down why one JIS/AIS surgeon didn't restrict a child - and to some extent, why mine restricted me (older than dirt, I hear) less than your child?

            BFD. Really. I won't waste any more of MY time on this thread.

            I really do hope your surgeon meets your expectations, and is, "able to apprise me of the situation in no time flat like he has done on other topics" (unlike the rest of us morons and our moronic surgeons). If he has scoli all figured out, I'm puzzled why he doesn't share.

            It doesn't apply to anyone but you and your kids; if his answer makes you happy, great.

            Regards,
            Pam
            Fusion is NOT the end of the world.
            AIDS Walk Houston 2008 5K @ 33 days post op!


            41, dx'd JIS & Boston braced @ 10
            Pre-op ±53°, Post-op < 20°
            Fused 2/5/08, T4-L1 ... Darrell S. Hanson, Houston


            VIEW MY X-RAYS
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            • #36
              Hey Pam, take it easy, lighten up.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by txmarinemom View Post
                I won't waste any more of MY time on this thread.
                I think this is the best course.

                We can't all have the same interests or understandings or scientific curiosity. No big deal. No reason to rant. No reason to reply as you have.

                sharon
                Last edited by Pooka1; 10-30-2008, 06:03 AM.
                Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

                No island of sanity.

                Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
                Answer: Medicine


                "We are all African."

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