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    Imaging

    Got imaging on my computer now. I tried to attach them but they are too big for the limit. I will have to figure out how to re-size them and then try again later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin76 View Post
    Got imaging on my computer now. I tried to attach them but they are too big for the limit. I will have to figure out how to re-size them and then try again later.
    I use Paint to resize. There is a button for that.

    Are these images in brace? If out of brace, how long out of brace?
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    This will work.....

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    Last edited by titaniumed; 10-27-2019 at 03:57 AM.
    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    This will work.....

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    Yes this works. I have done it.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Oops, they must have added the ability to change the title. A long time ago, we had an issue and determined the title was uneditable at that time. Thanks.
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    And, by the way, I still have a problem with the title. 1) There's no proof that the system works over time, and 2) As far as I can tell, it's no better or worse than a standard TLSO brace.
    Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    And, by the way, I still have a problem with the title. 1) There's no proof that the system works over time, and 2) As far as I can tell, it's no better or worse than a standard TLSO brace.
    Yes completely agree. It is misleading as to time frame and works on the same principles as other braces. All braces reduce curves in brace or immediately after coming out of brace making what these untrained chiros doing nothing special or unique. Let's see what Justin says about how these chiros do the imaging w.r.t. in brace or immediately out of brace.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Oops, they must have added the ability to change the title. A long time ago, we had an issue and determined the title was uneditable at that time. Thanks.
    Well it is completely not obvious so I am not surprised if folks think it cant be changed. I only realized it when I saw a poster on another forum add the fact that she added photos to the thread in the title. Then I started adding things to my titles when appropriate.

    Only the original poster and maybe you Linda if you try to edit the first post in a thread can change the title.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

    No island of sanity.

    Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    This will work.....

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    I tried to follow your instructions and I think I did. It changed the title of my first post, but did not change the thread title. Have you been able to change the thread title? Thanks.

    Dustin

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    Yes. I changed my Harrington thread title, deleted pediatrics after Dr Nuzzio.

    Try again. I cannot edit your thread, I just checked.

    I have another post with some thoughts on things.....

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Some thoughts....

    If titled "3D printed brace" it doesn't state if it works or not. It would be a review of a device, good or bad, which has "some" value. Since 3D printed braces are all over the world now, Dr Weiss in China, there are going to be a few of these braces floating around out there. There are a few scoliosis cases in China, it really makes me wonder how many there are?

    Dingo had Scott do his Rotational therapy thread, and did an excellent job of documenting Scott since age 5. We know it did not work, and then Scott was tethered. Dingo never sold Rotational therapy, he was simply documenting. This had value.

    Of course, Dustin would have to document for many years for us to see the outcomes of his children....He has already decided to 3D brace his kids, if his kids are going to do this, might as well document the process.

    The laser scanning of the body is an accurate way of knowing outside body shape, someone has to have written quality software to calculate the curve and new shape required to make a change. Of course, to make that change requires a force which is one of the lovely aspects of bracing. They push and hold. If you are going to brace a body part, you have to admit, 3D printing is truly an advantage.

    One of the things that I have mentioned about the bear traps is the gripping. If I grip your wrist tightly, it doesn't hurt, its a snug feeling. But if I hold your wrist all day long, that changes things. Fatigue happens when you hold that tight for many hours. You can put a brace on, and it will feel snug, not hurt. But you have to ask 20 hours later how it feels.

    Dingo had times recorded on rotational therapy. I believe his times were accurate since it was a short period of this exercise. (15 minutes is doable) The problems with Dustin's kids would be compliance accuracy. If they remove the brace at any point and if they tell their parents they do. Unless you have a temp device to monitor brace time, there is going to be doubt. If it takes a certain time period for a positive result, and the compliance is not there, it makes it a waste of time.

    It's like judging a tire's life without actually knowing how far you have driven. You cant say 40,000 miles if you don't know the distance traveled.

    Calibration is huge in ISO 9000 systems. Frequency and method of calibration are best by using 2 methods, and they have to MATCH. If not, you cant assume your correct.
    If you have a jar with 30,000 beans, do 2 counts that don't match, you have a problem. You cant prove bracing works with any accuracy unless your systems are in place.

    Same thing with having 2 spine surgeons with 2 different opinions. You now have a problem. What do you do? You have to have some agreement.

    Assuming that the software is written correctly, assuming that the scanner and the 3D printer is calibrated for accuracy, assuming that the plastic settles correctly, that leaves the time period. And of course the human body which we all know is so different. There are too many variables. I hope this helps explain why all these bracing studies drive me nuts. You also have x-ray inaccuracies....so anything under 5 degrees really is insignificant.

    I wonder if they should simply do Cobb measurements in 5 degree increments?

    Ed
    Last edited by titaniumed; 10-28-2019 at 12:52 AM.
    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    Yes. I changed my Harrington thread title, deleted pediatrics after Dr Nuzzio.

    Try again. I cannot edit your thread, I just checked.

    I have another post with some thoughts on things.....

    Ed
    Your Harrington thread title still says "pediatrics" as the last word. It looks like you changed the title of your first post on the thread, but not the thread title. I'm thinking that thread titles can't be change, but the title of each individual post can be changed. If that is the case, I can just delete the whole thread I guess. I want to copy and save the thread information for my own benefit though, because I value the input I have been given so far by all of you.

    Dustin

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    Imaging - 5 y/o son with early onset scoliosis

    Here are my 5 year old son's baseline/pre-brace images (with 25 degree largest curve) and his image in brace within a couple degrees of neutral. We are seeing another specialist most likely within the next few months. No reason for his scoliosis has been diagnosed officially so far, but I am expecting that a skeletal abnormality is contributing to his scoliosis. Light (yet rigid) bracing is keeping him in spine neutral for now. I will go into details of his story later. The x-ray is an anterior (view from front) view and the MRIs are a posterior (view from back) view, so they look opposite from each other.
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    Imaging - 8 y/o daughter with early onset scoliosis (JIS)

    Here are my daughter's images. Included are the pre-brace images (with 19.5 degrees as the largest curve), and the first in-brace images showing a correction near to neutral. She seems to be following the typical idiopathic scoliosis pattern. The x-ray is an anterior view (view from front) and the MRIs are posterior views (view from back) so they look opposite each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    I use Paint to resize. There is a button for that.

    Are these images in brace? If out of brace, how long out of brace?
    These are the pre-bracing images and the first in-brace images. Bracing just started (about 7 wks. ago for my son and almost 1 wk. for my daughter). They will be seen again every 3 months. My understanding is that they will get at least one in-brace MRI and one out of brace MRI. I don't think they expect much out of brace change in 3 months, but not sure. I think the out of brace image will be taken within an hour or so out of brace. I don't think they put a lot of weight on the out of brace images until skeletally mature. When bracing ceases, as I understand it, they do follow-up MRIs every 3 months for at least a year to monitor any curve changes. They are asking families for me if they are willing to share information/images with me.

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