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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Ed...

    I think most experienced deformity specialists send kids for thorough workups when there is something of suspicion (e.g., left thoracic curves, unusual height measurement, cafe au lait spots, sharp curves). When one has seen thousands of full spine xrays, the unusual ones really stick out. After sitting through about 500 Monday morning surgical conferences, I bet even I can spot most usual curves a mile away. While I'm sure there have been kids with syndromes that have slipped through the cracks, I'm begging it's pretty unusual to find a surprise diagnosis.

    --Linda
    Linda, this is at UCSF.....You cant compare a place like UCSF with the rest. You worked at the best hospital in the world.

    I think its imperative that kids with signals or signs be presented at progressive medical centers for analysis. Any asymmetries, bumps or humps of any sort need to be questioned and need to be looked at by the right people.... There is always going to be the right doctor, that right surgeon. Larger specialty medical centers, Scoliosis centers, Children's hospitals are set up for this, your odds will be much better in dictating the right course. It also makes more sense to have multiple specialists working in unison with one another to make correct decisions. Our medical research facility in Reno was set-up in this fashion where researchers bounce ideas off one another even if they are working on completely separate things. For scoliosis surgery, studies have proven that multiple surgeons work better in the operating room. I have always liked the concept. When the subject matter gets complicated, multiple minds are always a good thing.

    Funny I say this, because I elected not do my surgeries at a specialty scoliosis hospital. But my surgeon had the right training and knew what had to be done to make things work. I also had 3 surgeons and many other doctors on my team. Many I never met who reported in my hospital reports.

    Finding that right doctor is really important. Especially on initial scoliosis surgery. Once again, no guarantees, just better odds of success.

    On the Chiropractic question, its hardly worth mentioning. I would not take my child to a Chiropractor.

    The medical research facility that was built here years ago was the result of a child who had no recourse. There were no answers. She was the daughter of one of the Tahoe Billionaires who came down from the lake with his checkbook, and said start building right away.

    Regardless of workups, all the questions are not answered.

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    On the Chiropractic question, its hardly worth mentioning. I would not take my child to a Chiropractor.
    I don't understand why it is legal for chiros to treat scoliosis in children. Chiros KNOW damn well they have no relevant training in scoliosis. What the hell is the matter with them???

    I don't understand why chiros are allowed to use the "Dr." title. The UK doesn't allow that for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    Linda, this is at UCSF.....You cant compare a place like UCSF with the rest. You worked at the best hospital in the world.

    I think its imperative that kids with signals or signs be presented at progressive medical centers for analysis. Any asymmetries, bumps or humps of any sort need to be questioned and need to be looked at by the right people.... There is always going to be the right doctor, that right surgeon. Larger specialty medical centers, Scoliosis centers, Children's hospitals are set up for this, your odds will be much better in dictating the right course. It also makes more sense to have multiple specialists working in unison with one another to make correct decisions. Our medical research facility in Reno was set-up in this fashion where researchers bounce ideas off one another even if they are working on completely separate things. For scoliosis surgery, studies have proven that multiple surgeons work better in the operating room. I have always liked the concept. When the subject matter gets complicated, multiple minds are always a good thing.

    Funny I say this, because I elected not do my surgeries at a specialty scoliosis hospital. But my surgeon had the right training and knew what had to be done to make things work. I also had 3 surgeons and many other doctors on my team. Many I never met who reported in my hospital reports.

    Finding that right doctor is really important. Especially on initial scoliosis surgery. Once again, no guarantees, just better odds of success.

    On the Chiropractic question, its hardly worth mentioning. I would not take my child to a Chiropractor.

    The medical research facility that was built here years ago was the result of a child who had no recourse. There were no answers. She was the daughter of one of the Tahoe Billionaires who came down from the lake with his checkbook, and said start building right away.

    Regardless of workups, all the questions are not answered.

    Ed
    Ed.... If an orthopaedist practices in the sticks, one hopes that they'd be intelligent enough, if they noticed anything suspicious, to refer the child to a medical university practice. At UCSF, about 70% of Spine patients came from >50 miles outside of San Francisco, which indicates that complex patients are getting referred. Most scoli kids were treated in the pediatric orthopaedic department, so I don't know if they have the same phenomenon.

    --linda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    I don't understand why it is legal for chiros to treat scoliosis in children. Chiros KNOW damn well they have no relevant training in scoliosis. What the hell is the matter with them???

    I don't understand why chiros are allowed to use the "Dr." title. The UK doesn't allow that for a reason.
    Sharon, I have wondered about this also, and just started looking.....

    I guess to begin to answer some of our questions regarding this matter, it might be best to start with some history....Doctors and Surgeons.

    British surgeons use Mr instead of Doctor.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119265/


    When in doubt, call yourself a Doctor
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...science.uknews

    The Chiropractic council states that if not a registered medical practitioner, they have to state that they are a registered Chiropractor. I read this as Dr So and So, DC.
    Not just Dr So and So. They have to specifically state DC after their name. This could have been a Supreme court decision but I am not sure. You would have to dig into this a lot deeper. There have been Chiropractic lawsuits in the past.

    By law, anyone can call themselves a Doctor. Call yourself one, yes, Impersonate one, no. The title of Doctor is not protected by law.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(title)

    Look at post-nominals rather than just assuming that Dr has it covered. Lawyers are Doctors of law and do not use the title Dr. Its the specialty letters after that matter, and knowing who you are dealing with. Its good to look at a Doctors CV so you know where they studied. Since my surgeon went to TCSC, I knew he was trained at a leading scoliosis teaching or training center. That had a LOT of weight in my decision.

    Its the training and type or subject of training, that matters. And the individual.

    If you find anything else interesting let us know.

    Ed
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    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    Sharon, I have wondered about this also, and just started looking.....

    I guess to begin to answer some of our questions regarding this matter, it might be best to start with some history....Doctors and Surgeons.

    British surgeons use Mr instead of Doctor.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119265/


    When in doubt, call yourself a Doctor
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...science.uknews

    The Chiropractic council states that if not a registered medical practitioner, they have to state that they are a registered Chiropractor. I read this as Dr So and So, DC.
    Not just Dr So and So. They have to specifically state DC after their name. This could have been a Supreme court decision but I am not sure. You would have to dig into this a lot deeper. There have been Chiropractic lawsuits in the past.

    By law, anyone can call themselves a Doctor. Call yourself one, yes, Impersonate one, no. The title of Doctor is not protected by law.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(title)

    Look at post-nominals rather than just assuming that Dr has it covered. Lawyers are Doctors of law and do not use the title Dr. Its the specialty letters after that matter, and knowing who you are dealing with. Its good to look at a Doctors CV so you know where they studied. Since my surgeon went to TCSC, I knew he was trained at a leading scoliosis teaching or training center. That had a LOT of weight in my decision.

    Its the training and type or subject of training, that matters. And the individual.

    If you find anything else interesting let us know.

    Ed
    Thanks Dr. Ed!
    --Dr. Linda
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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Thanks Dr. Ed!
    --Dr. Linda
    Hey hey hey, No impersonating now....

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Thanks Dr. Ed!
    --Dr. Linda
    Drs. Ed and Linda, thank you for you contributions to this forum over the years.

    I encourage everyone to use the Dr. title on chiro threads to make a point.

    Best regards,
    Dr. Sharon (using the Dr. title as a lay person and not associated with my academic doctorate.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    Drs. Ed and Linda, thank you for you contributions to this forum over the years.

    I encourage everyone to use the Dr. title on chiro threads to make a point.

    Best regards,
    Dr. Sharon (using the Dr. title as a lay person and not associated with my academic doctorate.)
    Thanks Dr. Sharon! Your contributions have been incredibly important in terms of keeping me sane.
    Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Thanks Dr. Sharon! Your contributions have been incredibly important in terms of keeping me sane.
    It takes a village. Of doctors. :-)
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Thought experiment for Dustin

    Think about ALL the training you received on scoliosis to become a DPT. I am guessing it is little to none.

    Now imagine a person who either got NO training in scoliosis or the training was piss-poor.

    You KNOW you shouldn't be treating your children's scoliosis. Why don't chiros know that?

    Chiro chollege confessions...

    https://www.rebuildyourback.com/chir...curriculum.php

    Basic sciences: My biochemistry and physics teacher maintained that you weighed less when you picked one foot off the ground and that there was no gravity on the moon. [7]

    Microbiology: When asked about the size of a virus, the professor maintained it was "very small," but wasn't quite sure if it was bigger than an atom, or not. A fungus was defined as the 'green stuff' that appears on cheese left too long in the refrigerator. [7]

    Leaving out this three to five years training that most MDs undertake AFTER graduating four years of medical school is perhaps the most grotesque, but no less naive, misrepresentation of the [course listings] comparing MD and DC medical educations.
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    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    Drs. Ed and Linda, thank you for you contributions to this forum over the years.
    Your welcome, Dr Sharon

    Dr Ed (OT V111 Grand Master Thetan Neuroscienpsychobabchiropsycologist) Chiroscientology is also my specialty. (That's adjusting with the e-meter attached, you know, like a taxi meter)

    I don't have a name tag because my title wont fit. Gosh dang it! This is so depressing! Dang, dang, dang!

    (I could see Chevy Chase or Benny Hill doing this) I would die.
    Last edited by titaniumed; 11-05-2019 at 09:33 AM.
    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Lol! I am in my office on a break from training giggling like an idiot. Post of the month!

    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    Your welcome, Dr Sharon

    Dr Ed (OT V111 Grand Master Thetan Neuroscienpsychobabchiropsycologist) Chiroscientology is also my specialty. (That's adjusting with the e-meter attached, you know, like a taxi meter)

    I don't have a name tag because my title wont fit. Gosh dang it! This is so depressing! Dang, dang, dang!

    (I could see Chevy Chase or Benny Hill doing this) I would die.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

    No island of sanity.

    Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
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    Well I am sorry if we lost Dustin and I wish him and his children well in their scoliosis journey.

    But this thread will stand and serve a serious purpose. It is sobering to learn that someone as trained as a DPT can find it reasonable to go to an untrained person for JIS treatment. Where does that leave untrained people? This is some scary stuff.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Sharon...

    What makes you think we lost Dustin?

    --Linda
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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Sharon...

    What makes you think we lost Dustin?

    --Linda
    Well he hasn't posted in a few days. I hope he stays.
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