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    Clarification?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tina_R View Post
    I have always preferred to shower and wash my hair at the same time with the overhead stream of water.

    Since my surgery I have had to change things. By trial and error you work out a routine.

    I couldn't stand for long, too weak and had poor balance. So I got a portable chair for the shower. And I couldn't reach my feet so I got a basin to fill with liquid body wash and soak them in. When my chair is close enough I can (barely) reach the lower faucets to turn them on and adjust the temperature.

    I, too, have a hand held shower head. It has a hose which is attached to the overhead built-in shower head. I sit and soak my feet and soap as much of my body as I can reach, then rinse with the shower head in my hand.

    Then I overturn the basin with my feet, grab the basin, stand up (using a grab bar on the side of the tub), place the basin on the seat, kick the seat back a bit with one foot to get it out of the way, and I have room to finish up with a conventional shower (I have hooked the shower head above me by now). I stand and reach those places I couldn't reach while seated, but I'm not standing for long.

    I drop soap and sponges all the time, so I have extras around the tub. They are conveniently located on wall mounts.

    In the beginning I needed help in the shower because I was weak and clumsy. You should have help at first, too. Even today when I don't need somebody by my side to help me shower I feel better that someone is in the house.

    It might be worth it to have a plumber alter your bathroom, or just somebody handy that you know. It doesn't necessarily require drilling into porcelain fixtures or wall tiles for these adjustments.
    Thanks for the details!
    I have just a basic bathroom tub/shower w/ tile; Is the basin like a rectangular, tubber ware container? I was also thinking about installing handles on wall of bathtub- Since dr wants me to stay min. of 2 weeks on-campus rehab I am guessing I'll be able to shower upon return home - Plan to use dry shampoo but use it now & HAVE to wash hair 1x week at least. Still concerned about reaching out to the faucet since you can't bend? Also, from book I read re: this surgery, you won't be able to pull clothing items like sweaters over your head- is this so? what about bras? Front hook only I assume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    Tina, Every once in a while they will tingle and I am going to wait on the neck. I probably will never have my neck done unless it gets intense. My surgeon and I talked about a 2 level ACDF. From the front only.

    I also get the strange electrical zaps in my legs every once in a blue moon....Its no biggie.

    I did score some Diclofenac in Colombia, 100Mg 16 capsules, $3.50 US I use this for my neck if it flares up. This is cheap.

    Fax? That's incredible. I threw mine out around 20 years ago.

    Ed
    Why not have your neck done? What are some reasons? You can't turn your head, then, right? Driving will be difficult among other things.

    As for the zaps, I can see that there are some things that will never get totally better with some patients. I feel weird sensations in my back and they have been unchanged after 5 months. I think I might have to live with them.
    Last edited by Tina_R; 11-05-2019 at 10:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scared View Post
    Thanks for the details!
    I have just a basic bathroom tub/shower w/ tile; Is the basin like a rectangular, tubber ware container? I was also thinking about installing handles on wall of bathtub- Since dr wants me to stay min. of 2 weeks on-campus rehab I am guessing I'll be able to shower upon return home - Plan to use dry shampoo but use it now & HAVE to wash hair 1x week at least. Still concerned about reaching out to the faucet since you can't bend? Also, from book I read re: this surgery, you won't be able to pull clothing items like sweaters over your head- is this so? what about bras? Front hook only I assume?
    Yes, it's a rectangular basin, maybe 14" by 12". Material like tupperware. I'm glad to hear you will be in rehab for two weeks. They will show you how to do things and it will prepare you for when you get home.

    Handle(s) on wall are great, and for when you are seated a handle that clamps to the side of the tub is a good idea.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/McKesson-...iABEgKps_D_BwE

    I have never tried dry shampoo, is it a foam that comes in a canister?

    It's funny, I remember not being to pull slip-on shirts over my head those first few days (or was it weeks?) and I used button-front shirts. But I don't remember having any trouble with a back-hooking bra. That doesn't make much sense - front-hook is probably best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina_R View Post
    Why not have your neck done? What are some reasons? You can't turn your head, then, right? Driving will be difficult among other things.

    As for the zaps, I can see that there are some things that will never get totally better with some patients. I feel weird sensations in my back and they have been unchanged after 5 months. I think I might have to live with them.
    I guess you could start with surgery being the last ditch effort. There is no rushing into what we do as adult scoliosis patients....Funny how I waited 34 years for my surgeries, and with the neck its the same thing, another long wait. I can hang.

    Most of your head turning ability happens up high in the neck. The Atlas and the Axis. C1 and C2. Right below the skull. There are several patients fused up high here and they can turn their heads. You lose a little bit of mobility, its not a Tin Man situation.

    Use your mirrors when you drive and do slow lane changes. This is the way you drive an RV or a bus. No fast moves and use blinkers. You never look back driving an RV.

    There will be strange sensations....Its a rare thing when one of us comes out perfect, its always going to be something. Many of us have the bear traps in the thoracic, that the gripping sensation in the 5" wide surgical zone. Gripping doesn't hurt, but hold it all day long and its really tiring. Laying down solves that problem.

    I never had any problems in the shower or on the toilet. None at all. The chair is a good idea....I also never use my sink because that involves bending. Everything gets done in the shower. Full fusion is a vertical existence. Its perfect posture. People comment to me on it, there is no slouching, its impossible.

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    I guess you could start with surgery being the last ditch effort. There is no rushing into what we do as adult scoliosis patients....Funny how I waited 34 years for my surgeries, and with the neck its the same thing, another long wait. I can hang.

    Most of your head turning ability happens up high in the neck. The Atlas and the Axis. C1 and C2. Right below the skull. There are several patients fused up high here and they can turn their heads. You lose a little bit of mobility, its not a Tin Man situation.

    Use your mirrors when you drive and do slow lane changes. This is the way you drive an RV or a bus. No fast moves and use blinkers. You never look back driving an RV.

    There will be strange sensations....Its a rare thing when one of us comes out perfect, its always going to be something. Many of us have the bear traps in the thoracic, that the gripping sensation in the 5" wide surgical zone. Gripping doesn't hurt, but hold it all day long and its really tiring. Laying down solves that problem.

    I never had any problems in the shower or on the toilet. None at all. The chair is a good idea....I also never use my sink because that involves bending. Everything gets done in the shower. Full fusion is a vertical existence. Its perfect posture. People comment to me on it, there is no slouching, its impossible.

    Ed
    I always thought there were inevitable blind spots when you use mirrors driving. Not if you position the mirrors properly?

    Can you put socks on without a sock aid with a full fusion? Can you tie your shoes or are all your shoes slip-on? Can you do sit-ups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina_R View Post
    I always thought there were inevitable blind spots when you use mirrors driving. Not if you position the mirrors properly?

    Can you put socks on without a sock aid with a full fusion? Can you tie your shoes or are all your shoes slip-on? Can you do sit-ups?
    Probably so, depends on the vehicle. My neighbor crashed her Prius on a regular basis, (every 3 months) and yes the insurance company dropped her after 25 years. She changed vehicles and has not crashed in the last 10 years.

    I do not have problems with socks or shoes. I have photos here on this forum someplace, I am currently overseas using my laptop and do not have these photos. I tie my own shoelaces on the floor. Its a long reach and position has to be exact.

    For immediate surgical recovery, get some open backed shoes. I used mine for around a year.

    Yes, I can sit up. Its not an easy sort of thing, and usually I do it quickly with a deliberate thrust.

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 60, the new 55...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    Probably so, depends on the vehicle. My neighbor crashed her Prius on a regular basis, (every 3 months) and yes the insurance company dropped her after 25 years. She changed vehicles and has not crashed in the last 10 years.

    I do not have problems with socks or shoes. I have photos here on this forum someplace, I am currently overseas using my laptop and do not have these photos. I tie my own shoelaces on the floor. Its a long reach and position has to be exact.

    For immediate surgical recovery, get some open backed shoes. I used mine for around a year.

    Yes, I can sit up. Its not an easy sort of thing, and usually I do it quickly with a deliberate thrust.

    Ed
    Linda Racine said when I queried her that she has trouble with tie shoes, especially keeping the tongue where it belongs when putting one on. I believe she doesn't bother with them. It's different for everyone, I guess.

    I have lots of open backed shoes but I don't think they are the best thing right after surgical recovery unless your feet are really stable in them. It's easy to inadvertently slip out of them. Open toed, open backed shoes that slap your feet as you walk are a hazard. I fell going upstairs when the edge of the stair got caught between my toes and the footbed. I landed on my knees, so I didn't fall far and didn't twist my back, fortunately.

    I have this idea that a fused spine will come apart if you do something like sit-ups, but that's just me and my irrational fears, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina_R View Post
    Linda Racine said when I queried her that she has trouble with tie shoes, especially keeping the tongue where it belongs when putting one on. I believe she doesn't bother with them. It's different for everyone, I guess.

    I have lots of open backed shoes but I don't think they are the best thing right after surgical recovery unless your feet are really stable in them. It's easy to inadvertently slip out of them. Open toed, open backed shoes that slap your feet as you walk are a hazard. I fell going upstairs when the edge of the stair got caught between my toes and the footbed. I landed on my knees, so I didn't fall far and didn't twist my back, fortunately.

    I have this idea that a fused spine will come apart if you do something like sit-ups, but that's just me and my irrational fears, isn't it?
    Yup, donít do that (sit-ups).

    Slip in shoes would be a disaster for me. I canít keep my feet in them, in the best of times.
    Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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    Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Yup, donít do that (sit-ups).
    So you shouldn't do sit-ups even after you've reached full recovery from full spinal fusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina_R View Post
    So you shouldn't do sit-ups even after you've reached full recovery from full spinal fusion?
    You should ask your surgeon. If you're at least 6 months postop and your fusion is solid, it's unlikely that sit-ups will cause any implant issues. But, it seems to me that you might cause soft tissue injury.

    --Linda
    Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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    Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina_R View Post
    Yes, it's a rectangular basin, maybe 14" by 12". Material like tupperware. I'm glad to hear you will be in rehab for two weeks. They will show you how to do things and it will prepare you for when you get home.

    Handle(s) on wall are great, and for when you are seated a handle that clamps to the side of the tub is a good idea.

    [URL="https://www.walmart.com/ip/McKesson-White-Steel-Bathtub-Mount-Bathtub-Grab-Bar-14-5-Inch"]https://www.walmart.com/ip/McKesson-White-Steel-Bathtub-Mount-Bathtub-Grab-Bar-14-5-Inch

    I have never tried dry shampoo, is it a foam that comes in a canister?

    It's funny, I remember not being to pull slip-on shirts over my head those first few days (or was it weeks?) and I used button-front shirts. But I don't remember having any trouble with a back-hooking bra. That doesn't make much sense - front-hook is probably best.
    Thanks for info- Ithey have various dry shampoo- I use Dove- itís a dry spray that you spray on the roots of hair (I section my hair 1st spray & work it in- stay away from the foam ones - they are like a foam volumizer that makes your hair wet (defeats the purpose) - Guess I Ďm trying to get my act together before I am discharged & find out I have multiple items to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina_R View Post
    Linda Racine said when I queried her that she has trouble with tie shoes, especially keeping the tongue where it belongs when putting one on. I believe she doesn't bother with them. It's different for everyone, I guess.

    I have lots of open backed shoes but I don't think they are the best thing right after surgical recovery unless your feet are really stable in them. It's easy to inadvertently slip out of them. Open toed, open backed shoes that slap your feet as you walk are a hazard. I fell going upstairs when the edge of the stair got caught between my toes and the footbed. I landed on my knees, so I didn't fall far and didn't twist my back, fortunately.

    I have this idea that a fused spine will come apart if you do something like sit-ups, but that's just me and my irrational fears, isn't it?
    I live in comfort shoes depends on size, etc but I wear 8 1/2 & like Jambu - tried Sketchers but they were 2 small. www.hammacher.com has pair of house shoes that provides the back support I/we need (item #TT-95442 (I will be purchasing soon). Still have some high heels I just canít get rid of knowing Iíll never wear them (sad)

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