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Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostAS YOU UNDERSTAND them. That is not the same as an understanding you get from being in this field.
The hallmark of research is to be skeptical and to doubt until the evidence is overwhelming. Lay people DO NOT do that... they cherry pick individual articles that they really don't understand and make statements of "fact."
I see you and Dingo practicing research without a license. You have no training and so don't know to be skeptical enough. You don't know what you don't know and don't accept that there are unknown unknowns at all. Both you and Dingo could come up to speed but you haven't. I am very sure you have no idea what it takes to get to a point where Dr. McIntire is with his doctorate and post doc. You could be at the same point if you learned how to approach science but neither of you have done so.
Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostI know what I had to do to earn a doctorate and get through a post doc. I have not done anything close to that in the field of scoliosis. I use the general tools of science and research to poke around a bit but that is all it is... a lay jaunt through another field of science that is not my own.
Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostMy training in research has taught me to very extremely skeptical of everything. The answer to many things is there is not enough evidence to say one way or another. For something like bracing or PT, it is so complex that we may never get an answer about the long term effectiveness.
But we are talking about reduction in brace, not about me or you, as we are not talking about Clear or Chiropractors. You know science is not something so simple as only quoting about evidence in order to know what really is or not. I think we may say that probably there is not enough evidence showing per se if reduction in brace is necessary or not so we may use our brains. I think is what the people who established the brace protocol did. Do you know how it is? It allows to put a brace without any reduction in brace? Why they did the protocol as it is. I may be enough sure I'm understanding the foundations in favor to a significant reduction in brace and how hard they are!. Do you understand the foundations to say it's not important? I don't knows them. I think you have enough intelligence to debate about about this. If evidence would be enough, debates would not exists, don't you think?
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Originally posted by flerc View PostI may say exactly the same about you.
You and Dingo are not approaching this like a scientist would approach it. Nobody is born knowing this. Scientists are scientists because they get training. Lay people are lay people because they don't.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by flerc View PostAgainst non surgical options really
I have no dog in the fight. If I am against something it is because there is no good evidence for it. Your inability to recognize this because you are not focused on evidence as opposed to your feelings that you can understand complex issues without putting in the hard work to actually understand them. Dingo was a master at the 5-minute google search that he thought made him equal for experienced researchers. If it wasn't sad it would be funny.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by flerc View PostIs not what you do when you claim against the use of braces.
The latest study considers bracing a "success" if the child has a 49* curve with up to 25 percent of growth remaining. Do you consider that a success?
Also they have never published the ending curves of the bracing "successes." Does anyone doubt that some/most of the children with curves in the 40s will go on to need fusion? I would like to see a 10 year follow up to the BRAIST study and see if they are still claiming victory for braces.
Ask yourself why you don't think of questions like this.Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
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Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostYou are making my point. How would you even know if I am approaching it wrong it not?
Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostYou and Dingo are not approaching this like a scientist would approach it. Nobody is born knowing this. Scientists are scientists because they get training. Lay people are lay people because they don't.Last edited by flerc; 01-22-2016, 05:07 PM.
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Ok, just only something about this point:
Originally posted by Pooka1 View PostNo. I am not against braces. I am against people making claims that they work if there isn't good evidence they work, at least in the long run.
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Originally posted by flerc View PostThey could have decided the opposite, that is to not use it until having enough flexibility in order to have enough reduction in brace. Is what some Drs does as I know.
Certainly I think there are many cases of flexible spines and when the brace was collocated, there was no reduction in brace. This possibility should to be avoided. If flexibility is measured first and then there is no reduction in brace, something was done wrong.
This what are saying these researchers should to be enough (even is probably no the main reason) to understand why is to much important reduction in brace http://www.uvm.edu/~istokes/pdfs/nonfusion.pdfLast edited by flerc; 01-24-2016, 06:04 AM.
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' These results suggest that if appropriate
loads can be applied to human vertebrae, scoliosis
with vertebral wedging can be corrected without a spinal
fusion in both adolescents and adults, but with greater
difficulty in older patients'
Adults not too older yet should to be doing something now!
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