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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    I think anyone can go into a medical library and read the article for free.
    Not if you live in a country where English is not the official language, you can't. Tons of methods are getting free publicity from forums like this one, but when it comes to sharing what they found they won't do it for free, good for them, especially if it's all bogus. May I ask what kind of plank exercise we're talking about? There's two million variations.. is it a still plank or it involves some movement?

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    side plank

    Alistair,

    "A slight modification of the classical Iyengar side plank pose was used wherein patients were instructed to elevate their ribs, which is not part of the classical Iyengar technique." The side plank was also modified for patients with medical conditions and when patients had a double curve they added a second contralateral strengthening pose. It is an isometric pose/ no movement. I may be wrong, but the large inclusion of degenerative scoliosis patients implies they may have treated adults more often than adolescents (degenerative scoliosis: 12, idiopathic scoliosis=7, noncompliant=5). --If you can locate a medical library, the article's photographs of the various side plank pose modifications are clearly labeled.

    A Mom

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMom View Post
    when patients had a double curve they added a second contralateral strengthening pose.
    Ok thanks. In this case I have a double lumbar left and torso right curve, and despite lumbar being primary they are equivalent at roughly same degree, according to these people then, on which side should I have my plank and what can one use for contralateral straightening? I always struggle to understand the dynamics of these things.

    Edit: while browsing the net I found this website where they sort of analyse this study http://yogaforhealthyaging.blogspot....ide-plank.html, I'm not saying that I now understand it but maybe someone who has a better grasp of this can comment further, there are also testimonies of people who tried this http://yogaforhealthyaging.blogspot....ml?q=scoliosis (again, no connection whatsoever with this website on my part, but since the info out there seems scarse might as well make the most of what is there I guess).
    Last edited by Alistair; 12-29-2014 at 03:17 PM.

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    a yoga studio would be more knowledgeable than me

    Alistair,

    You need to know if you have a major & compensatory curve OR a double major curve.

    You need to know whether the major curve is left OR right.

    Then, the authors suggest, “…strengthening of truncal muscles on the convex side of the scoliotic curve.” . . . “We speculate that the side plank pose is useful for strengthening the convex side’s quadratus lumborum, iliopsoas, transverses abdominus, oblique, intercostal, and paraspinal musculature….”

    If you have a double major, THEN they suggest also “. . . holding the free leg with the free arm, and bulging that part of the spine, generally the cervicothoracic spine, upward” while doing the side plank pose. (The photograph shows the use of a band to hold the free leg.)

    I do not know anything about yoga, maybe you could go to a yoga studio for guidance.

    A Mom

    CONVEX: curved or rounded like the outside of a sphere or circle (think of the outside of curve of a basketball)
    CONCAVE: hollowed or rounded inward like the inside of a bowl (think of the inside curve of a cave)

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    > Double Curves > Sadly I have a double curve. I don’t have the entire article but this side plank study doesn’t address double curves, this condition has not been studied using side plank and even Dr. Fishman doesn’t address this. As you can see from this photo http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps21f0e5e7.jpg I have a double S, curves are both around 30 degrees, primary left lumbar and compensatory right thoracic, I know I should follow the convex rule, so if I have primary convex on the left I should plank on the left, but will I harm my equally measuring (even bigger, actually) thoracic curve doing that? It’s just unchartered territory, isn't it?

    > Little studies that don’t go anywhere > This study reminds me of the clinical study reporting that Gyrotonic would be an effective treatment for scoliosis, you can find it here: https://www.gyrotonic.com/library%5C...EATMENT_EN.PDF, again a study with a small number of patients and encouraging results, goes without saying that didn’t go anywhere, as far as I know, and even some Master Instructors told me that Gyrotonic won’t modify my bones, the scoliosis I have I will keep. Nonetheless I’m still doing Gyrotonic as I fail to see how it can be harmful. A while ago Gyrotonic took advantage of this kind of “studies” and now it looks like it’s Yoga’s turn..

    > Tridimensional > As observed by a Yoga teacher (below, in Italic), scoliosis is not bi-dimensional as torsion also often plays a part, so a simple plank may do more harm than good, other methods like Schroth for instance take this into consideration as side planks may well be beneficial on one part but might increase rotation on the other.
    “I think it's important to address the three dimensional nature of scoliosis. The lateral curves usually involve a rotation of the spine. I'm a yoga teacher who had my daughter doing side planks for her single curve scoliosis. It alarmed me to see that her rotation increased in side plank--so while she was addressing the lateral curve, she was worsening the rotation. She's begun Schroth physical therapy, which specifically addresses derotating and the lateral curve. As her kinesthetic awareness increases, I think she'll be able to practice plank in the future (if she wants to) without exacerbating the rotation. I would suggest that everyone practicing side plank for scoliosis needs to consider this issue.”

    I do not know anything about yoga, maybe you could go to a yoga studio for guidance.
    > Guidance > Unfortunately that’s easier said than done, to find a specialist of a discipline, in this case Yoga, and also an expert on scoliosis is a near impossible task, especially if you don’t live in a big city, in any case no Yoga instructor will take the risk of analising your X-Rays and come up with a personal plan for you, I’m pretty sure I will not find anyone in my area who knows about this study or willing to have someone like me who’s never done Yoga before to explain this study to him/her.
    “even though I had consulted with Shari, who is a physical therapist as well as a yoga teacher, she was not familiar with the specific study. So for our purposes, I've decided to let the study speak for itself.”

    > X-Rays > I see lots of adults having x-rays quite often to measure their situation, my GP would never prescribe me x-rays every three or six months, I’m 41 not an adolescent, and I was always told (right or wrong) that my back would not deteriorate immensely so checkups every 4-5 years are recommended that’s all. How often do you guys have x-rays?

    Just reference to articles useful for this post:
    October 30th http://yogaforhealthyaging.blogspot....ana-could.html
    November 14th http://yogaforhealthyaging.blogspot....ide-plank.html
    November 17th http://yogaforhealthyaging.blogspot....scoliosis.html
    November 19th http://yogaforhealthyaging.blogspot....scoliosis.html
    December 5th http://yogaforhealthyaging.blogspot....n-fishman.html
    December 11th http://yogaforhealthyaging.blogspot....ide-plank.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    > X-Rays > I see lots of adults having x-rays quite often to measure their situation, my GP would never prescribe me x-rays every three or six months, I’m 41 not an adolescent, and I was always told (right or wrong) that my back would not deteriorate immensely so checkups every 4-5 years are recommended that’s all. How often do you guys have x-rays?
    I have had quite a few done through the years, my guess would be around 60, and always after a pain event....my x-rays were “usually”never shot for monitoring. When you do a lot of x-rays through the years, they are kind of like speeding tickets, and you slow down....I’ve been nuked through the years.....it’s the CT’s you want to avoid.

    I think your spine looks great! Wow! I think that you are going to do just fine with your spine....

    Are you in England? Where are you located?

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 58, the new 53...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    I think your spine looks great! Wow! I think that you are going to do just fine with your spine....

    Are you in England? Where are you located?

    Ed
    I don't know about that, let's hope so, I have always been told that it's well compensated, but it does give me pain.. I live in Italy, my GP is always reluctant to prescribe me x-rays (or anything else for that matter), but I do need a checkup now, those x-rays are from 4-5 yrs ago.

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    Stress induced analgesia

    I battled different types of pain for a lot of years and did all sorts of things.....I have also felt major pain, alarming events.....You know you are there when you are ready to go to the hospital and request being knocked out. I ignored pain for years, but this is truly different.

    Its hard to define pain, different types of pain, this website is a layman neuro site that explains the nuts and bolts of it all and answers some of our pain questions.

    During my skiing I figure that I experienced (SIA) Stress induced analgesia. Psychological factors that activate endogenous pain control. (from within ourselves)

    This can also play a part in our daily lives....funny how pain can come and go sometimes living with scoliosis.

    http://neuroscience.uth.tmc.edu/s2/chapter06.html
    http://neuroscience.uth.tmc.edu/s2/chapter07.html
    http://neuroscience.uth.tmc.edu/s2/chapter08.html

    You might find this interesting....

    Ed
    49 yr old male, now 58, the new 53...
    Pre surgery curves C12,T70,L70
    ALIF/PLIF T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
    Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

    Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

    My x-rays
    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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