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  • #91
    Flerc, it is true what you said about the discs bellow the fusion.
    I seriously doubt that light to moderate weight lifting has significant impact on a curve. Even if it does, it is training the muscles to hold the spine. Do you think that reducing or worsening a curve for a few minutes could have permanent impact on a curve? Sure not. If that would be true every person on this planet would have scoliosis.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by boogaloo View Post
      Yeah I am not kidding, it is sarcasm. As I said before every sport on a professional level is destructive. They have to over excercise to get that 1% advantage over the others to win the 1st place.
      But recreational sport is way better than doing nothing, so keep enjoying your rides
      No I didn't take you are being sarcastic. You are correct... humans are not meant to ride horses and even top riders have back back issues.
      Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

      No island of sanity.

      Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
      Answer: Medicine


      "We are all African."

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      • #93
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed...5siorowski%20A[Author]

        This doctor is quite a shady guy.......CEO of ART-B group.

        When a President of a country requests extradition, you know its serious....

        https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrze...i%C4%99biorca)
        (Right click for translation)

        http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/publi...land_shows.pdf

        The guys that are really really bad, have to do a lot of good to cover..... That explains all the medals....

        Sharon, you are right, PubMed will publish anything.

        Ed
        49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
        Pre surgery curves T70,L70
        ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
        Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

        Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
        http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

        My x-rays
        http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

        http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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        • #94
          WOW.

          I wish pubmed would only list articles from peer-reviewed journals. Many articles would still be nonsense but it would cut back a little on the total volume of nonsense.

          Pubmed is just a searchable database of published articles and I guess it would be hard to cull the enormous number of journals to only top shelf peer-reviewed ones.
          Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

          No island of sanity.

          Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
          Answer: Medicine


          "We are all African."

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          • #95
            Its nice to know your authors.....

            Its also nice to know your doctors.....and their training, CV, and “exactly” what it is that they do on a daily basis.....(I wouldn’t ask “Are you a Polish mobster on the side?”) LMAO!

            That was a very funky paper he wrote.....I knew something was very wrong since I have had multiple herniated lumbar discs.

            Ed
            49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
            Pre surgery curves T70,L70
            ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
            Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

            Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

            My x-rays
            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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            • #96
              Are you sure that is the author? His name is Adam not Andrzej...
              Only if Andrzej means Adam in english, but I don't think that names are translated. Maybe I'm wrong.

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              • #97
                I think Boogaloo is correct these are different people. The guy in the article was supposedly a jazz musician circa 1991. He could have gone to med school after I guess but the first name is different.

                Running a study without a control group is not quite as bad as the stuff mentioned by the other person. Almost but not quite. LOL.
                Last edited by Pooka1; 02-10-2016, 07:13 AM.
                Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

                No island of sanity.

                Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
                Answer: Medicine


                "We are all African."

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                • #98
                  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed...;siorowski%20A[Author]
                  Here is another study by the same author. There is no abstract but full journal article is available. Unfortunatelly it seems there is no control group here too but all of other methods have been tried before starting strenght training. That means something too but it's not good as it would be if there was a control group.

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                  • #99
                    Few weeks ago I had a hard discussion with someone who said me that herniate discs are impossible to be cured without surgery. I said him about 2 coworkers I know since many years ago who never more had again back pain. One of them used waves and the other physiatrists exercises. He challenged me to show him the studies (I suppose x-rays) showing that actually it were herniate discs and not something previous and not so serious. He said me something as there are a lot of wrong diagnosis and actual herniate discs cannot be reversed in a natural way. I'm trying to convince them to give me those x-rays..

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                    • I think in s cases there is an acute phase that can be improved with PT. It doesn't cure the disc but makes it less painful . Or the nerves calm down and there isn't any more pain.
                      T10-pelvis fusion 12/08
                      C5,6,7 fusion 9/10
                      T2--T10 fusion 2/11
                      C 4-5 fusion 11/14
                      Right scapulectomy 6/15
                      Right pectoralis major muscle transfer to scapula
                      To replace the action of Serratus Anterior muscle 3/16
                      Broken neck 9/28/2018
                      Emergency surgery posterior fusion C4- T3
                      Repeated 11/2018 because rods pulled apart added T2 fusion
                      Removal of partial right thoracic hardware 1/2020
                      Removal and replacement of C4-T10 hardware with C7 and T 1
                      Osteotomy

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                      • Maybe, and also may be true a lot of wrong diagnosis. We should to know it.

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                        • Originally posted by LindaRacine View Post
                          There are much better ways to strengthen one's core than weight lifting.
                          Certainly I'm not sure if it has sense to talk about a way to strengthen one's core. http://www.cpdo.net/Lederman_The_myt..._stability.pdf
                          Surely normal people not need to strengthen nothing at least in a systematic way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhu50FU_rA
                          But if it has sense, surely core stability is something be very different with scoliosis. Normal spines are not supporting terrific lateral forces.

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                          • You guys are right, Adam is a different person.....Never a dull moment! LOL I’m still leaving that post up so readers can see what some doctors can actually do, and smile for the camera from a different country.

                            I still don’t believe his article on “weight training” for herniation’s and lumbar degeneration. I tried many alternative methods through the years, and even when my cervical discs herniated in March 2013, I still tried a little Chiro, ultrasound, traction, rest, and old Celebrex. My surgeon admitted that the Celebrex did help some, but wasn’t the right selection of meds. My neck has been ok now for almost 3 years, which indicates that the disc material did pull back off the cord. So, discs do retract. I hope it doesn’t get agitated and protrude or extrude again, that event was painful.

                            Many of the elder posters here have been in the same situation. Herniation’s and degeneration is a tough battle especially with large scoliosis curves when we get older. Herniated lumbar discs can be crippling. Sciatica is one of the most painful things, when your hips and legs burn as if someone is holding a torch up to your skin. My hip felt like a horse kicked it. I did that for 6 years. Weight training is not something that will help if this is happening.

                            I had luck with ocean therapy. De-weighting and swimming all day long. I thought I found the answer, and started scuba diving for scoliosis 20 years ago but it didn’t work every time which was such a let down. If it worked, I would have every member here scuba diving!

                            PT programs that include mild stretches and mobility are useful for feeling good....I always tried to stay active which helped out quite a bit. Live an active life and try to forget your scoliosis for your mental health.

                            Ed
                            49 yr old male, now 63, the new 64...
                            Pre surgery curves T70,L70
                            ALIF/PSA T2-Pelvis 01/29/08, 01/31/08 7" pelvic anchors BMP
                            Dr Brett Menmuir St Marys Hospital Reno,Nevada

                            Bending and twisting pics after full fusion
                            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...on.&highlight=

                            My x-rays
                            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...2&d=1228779214

                            http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/attac...3&d=1228779258

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                            • Originally posted by flerc View Post
                              Maybe, and also may be true a lot of wrong diagnosis. We should to know it.
                              Probably with herniated discs may occurs the same that with scoliosis, where we may have curves many times worse than others and some methods may work in some of them and not in others..

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                              • For scroth method, do you breathe through your diaphragm or chest? does it depend on whether your problem is in the thoracic or lumbar?

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