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    Food for thought

    The osteoporosis milk myth.

    Feeling a little low on Bovine growth hormone?

    http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

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    The results of studies using CaD supplementation have confusing results. In the WHI study, CaD supplementation in post menopausal women led to a statistically significant increase in bone density when compared to the placebogroup, but not a statistically significant decrease in fracture rate (when compared to the placebo group). Of course, this study did not look at CaD supplementation in premenopausal women, but then again, osteoporosis is less likely to be an issue in younger women.

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    I stopped taking calcium/vit.D tablets years ago. My bone density has increased since I began my walking regime since prior to surgery almost 5 years ago. Hoping that's all I need into the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    The osteoporosis milk myth.

    Feeling a little low on Bovine growth hormone?

    http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

    Ed
    I always think I should to buy this program. It seems to be a fact all I was reading they says. I believe it was a Noble prize who many years ago alerted about the risks of an acid body pH. It seems to be something catastrophic, also allowing not only bacteria proliferation but parasites, fungus, worms..
    Certainly the milk seems to not be something good, I have read recently about why is not possible to adults to digests it, because the lack of an enzyme only produced until the second year of life. And process done seems to be something disastrous.. homogenized milk seems to be the worst.

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    Can I point out that growth hormones are banned in Europe, so anyone from the UK or mainland Europe needn't worry about those.

    Also, it seems that conventional medicine holds that it is impossible for a diet to have any effect on the body's pH, apart from the pH of urine. There's an article on Quackwatch written by an MD which discusses this.

    I don't know about milk helping or hindering bone strength though! That program is written by an alternative practitioner rather than an MD (she has an MA in Nutrition and Biochemistry - I wonder why that's not a MSc?) and it seems very expensive for what it is. If you want to avoid dairy products, tofu and green leafy veg are good sources of calcium.

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    Certainly I have read about PH, not body PH, I supposed it was the way to refer to it. I want to buy PH tests, used in urine, blood and saliva and see if it is possible to change my high PH with diet.. it sounds reasonable for me, but if there are theories showing the contrary, sure it's not.
    Yes, I have heard about tofu and green leafy as good sources of calcium. Also about sesame. I also have heard about the importance of vitamins D, K and Zinc.
    It seems to be a fact the extreme low ostheoporosis level in China, where dairy products are not consumed.

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    After reading the article and ensuing discussion, it smells of PETA. I don't believe in animal cruelty at all, but I do believe milk has its place in our diets. I can't drink milk, but do use milk and milk products in my cooking. But, for those that don't want to drink milk or eat milk products... don't. Milk has been in the human diet for thousands of years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rohrer01 View Post
    Milk has been in the human diet for thousands of years...
    Yes, it’s what I always thought.. of course not homogenized, pasteurized and skimmed as we does.
    People against milk always argues that only calves drinks it, but I was not sure if it was really true, that is, what could happens if cows allows bulls to drink her milk? They’ll refuse to drink it anyway?
    I supposed that probably in many mammal specie, living in their own natural habitat, if they would be allowed, adults would drink milk. Adults cats loves to drink milk because we allows them.. surely in their habitat they would does the same.
    But some days ago I have read that casein is not digested by human adults and is present in every dairy product, so I don’t believe it any more.. at least for humans.

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    Interesting how we were brought up on milk and now just googling “Is milk bad for you” produces all sorts of information. Harvard studies, and the USDA food pyramid are discussed in this video by Dr Mark Hyman.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mar..._b_558876.html

    I’m learning all sorts of things...but seriously “Seaweed?” I didn’t think people ate seaweed. lol

    I guess if I have bone loss as I age, my titanium hardware will support me. (smiley face)

    Also interesting how no matter what diet you eat, everyone mentions exercise. There is not one health related webpage that misses this.

    Thanks for the posts guys....

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    Seaweed can be very tasty Ed :smile: it's often used in Japanese cuisine. I eat regularly at a sushi bar and always have a yummy bowl of seaweed as a side.

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    Some people as paleolithic diet folks believe that every dairy products are bad for all humans, others believe that what is bad are current processes http://www.naturalnews.com/036568_pa..._bacteria.html and others believe that not alll products are bad/not for everyone:
    ' In most human populations, the ability to digest lactose contained in milk usually disappears in childhood, but in European-derived populations, lactase activity frequently persists into adulthood (Scrimshaw and Murray 1988). It has been suggested (Cavalli-Sforza 1973; Hollox et al. 2001; Enattah et al. 2002; Poulter et al. 2003) that a selective advantage based on additional nutrition from dairy explains these genetically determined population differences (Simoons 1970; Kretchmer 1971; Scrimshaw and Murray 1988; Enattah et al. 2002), but formal population-genetics–based evidence of selection has not yet been provided'
    It seems that lactasa is not present in some products as yoghurt.
    If just only a 10% would be true about what we can read about milk, surely it would explain the 90% of human diseases.. probably also scoliosis, who knows..

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    Quote Originally Posted by titaniumed View Post
    Interesting how we were brought up on milk and now just googling “Is milk bad for you” produces all sorts of information.
    This made me wonder, if we substituted another word for milk, what would come up? It seems that everything is bad for you nowadays - LOL!

    I was thinking one day (and I am NOT suggesting that anyone should adopt an unhealthy diet) that a big treat when I was a kid in the 60's was when my dad would take me to "Nick's" for a hot dog and a root beer. I would hop up on the stool and drink from one of those plastic cupholders with the cone-shaped liners inside and have one of the best hot dogs in Brooklyn.

    Nowadays, both things (hot dogs and soda) will kill you apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mariaf View Post
    This made me wonder, if we substituted another word for milk, what would come up? It seems that everything is bad for you nowadays - LOL!

    I was thinking one day (and I am NOT suggesting that anyone should adopt an unhealthy diet) that a big treat when I was a kid in the 60's was when my dad would take me to "Nick's" for a hot dog and a root beer. I would hop up on the stool and drink from one of those plastic cupholders with the cone-shaped liners inside and have one of the best hot dogs in Brooklyn.

    Nowadays, both things (hot dogs and soda) will kill you apparently.
    Excellent points. And humorous also. :-)

    I think if people limited their google searching to legitimate medical and science sites, much of the apparently conflicting and confusing information would disappear. There is more nonsense out there than you can shake a stick at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mariaf View Post

    Nowadays, both things (hot dogs and soda) will kill you apparently.
    I see the resistance to harmful food as something similar to what occurs in boxing. Some people may resist strong punches without any problem and others may get hurt with weak punches.
    I believe it's also a genetics quality issue. And what kind of genetics quality we may expect from someone having something as scoliosis..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    I think if people limited their google searching to legitimate medical and science sites, much of the apparently conflicting and confusing information would disappear. There is more nonsense out there than you can shake a stick at.
    Only too true. I would always ask myself if the person promoting a novel new health fad has any money to make from doing so, too......

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