Curvycakes, love your comment about being a "hippie counselor". Your comments are well stated.
Thanks for chiming in.
Susan
Curvycakes, love your comment about being a "hippie counselor". Your comments are well stated.
Thanks for chiming in.
Susan
Adult Onset Degenerative Scoliosis @65, 25* T & 36* L w/ 11.2 cm coronal balance; T kyphosis 90*; Severe disc degen T & L stenosis
2013: T3- S1 Fusion w/ ALIF L4-S1/XLIF L2-4, PSF T4-S1 2 surgeries
2014: Hernia @ ALIF repaired; Emergency screw removal Spinal Cord Injury T4,5 sec to PJK
2015: Revision Broken Bil T & L rods and no fusion: 2 revision surgeries; hardware P. Acnes infection
2016: Ant/Lat Lumbar diskectomy w/ 4 cages + BMP + harvested bone
2018: Removal L4,5 screw
There was some whinging about the need for a private group for PT and bracing. This is an imaginary problem. So I'm bumping this.
Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
On imaginary problems.
My factual comment in the thread today was that a large contingency of patients pursuing all manner of non-surgical options has left this forum to create their own private forum. Since that is a demonstrable fact, I can only imagine that you're saying the *problem* is imaginary. It may well be an imaginary problem for you, but for myself, I greatly miss their contribution. It is not an imaginary problem for me.
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Certainly her unmoral work is very much pathetic but also effective.
If people had evidence they would be back here posting it. In the meantime, nobody is missing anything.
Science is the only game in town.
Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
Who may want to post their cases with someone as you doing what you are doing. I have recieved PMs about excelent outocomes and saying they don't want to post knowing what you would do then.
Excellent work! Sure you are proud!
I'm not talking about posts about cases in general. I'm talking about before and after radiographs like we see so often in the surgical section and like are conspicuous by their absence in the non-surgical sections.
Do you think anyone would know who Martha Hawes is if she didn't continually post her radiographs?
Are people posting before and after radiographs on the private group showing improvement like Hawes does?
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Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
I'm not in any private goup, I don't know. Probably people just only trust in what they says.
And of course only you may expecting people posting their Rx here.
Hi flerc,
I know everyone is different, and you haven't been on the forum as long as some of us. So for you and others who only joined in the past few years, I want to share something. When I first joined this group and someone would ask about VBS, there were a couple of members (one in particular) who would relentlessly attack me saying that the surgery was experimental, etc. I explained over and over that: (a) I was just disseminating information and folks could made whatever decision they wanted based on that information; and (b) that I had complete faith in the procedure, so much so that I allowed it to be performed on my son.
The point is that I stuck around because I was an open book when it came to VBS. I wanted those parents who were interested (and for whom VBS might be a good option) not to have to find out about it by accident like I did. If someone had questions on VBS, I would either try to answer it myself, or if I didn't know the answer, I would try to get the info from the doctor(s) themselves. Those who first jumped on board and began performing VBS were guys like Betz & company, Hresko, Luhmann, Oswald, Vitale, Skaggs, Schwend, etc. so I was more than comfortable sharing information that came from guys with reputations like theirs. I never made any false claims or 'guaranteed' that VBS would work, but I stood by my belief that it was a viable option for some patients and had nothing to hide.
Maybe I am more stubborn that most (I'm sure my husband wouldn't argue that point), but I can't see all these people leaving the forum simply because someone questioned them or asked for proof of what they were saying - or even in their view, was giving them a hard time. I would think it would be more important to make sure others knew about any options that had a chance of helping others.
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Mom to David, age 17, braced June 2000 to March 2004
Vertebral Body Stapling 3/10/04 for 40 degree curve (currently mid 20's)
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Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis
No island of sanity.
Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
Answer: Medicine
"We are all African."
As is so often the case in these discussion, I no longer have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
You restarted this discussion, it appears, in response to my saying that I missed the contribution of all of those regular members who were pursuing conservative treatment who have left this forum and joined a private group. Yet, now, you appear to be talking about something else altogether - the "show us your xrays!" greeting which appeared to make several new members quickly depart the forum. Again, these are clearly clearly, *not* the members I was discussing, and these people did not join the private forum I was discussing. But, no matter, apparently we're discussing something else altogether.
So, assuming now that you're not actually responding to what I was talking about but discussing this other thing instead, let's examine your hypothesis on that topic more closely.
Your hypotheses: People talking about their experience are "making claims" (and not just sharing their experience, as one might normally understand it). Because you believe they are "making claims" you also believe that they should show evidence to back up those claims. Immediately upon entering the forum. As a kind of how-d-do. Thus, I suppose, every patient who ever entered the forum saying that they'd gotten a great correction would be "making a claim" and, thus, be greeted with "Well, let's see how great we think it is. Let me eyeball your xrays to make sure you're not hiding anything" which is, more or less, how the people you're discussing were greeted.
OK, well, let's try out that hypothesis in the surgical section. The next new patient who shows up claiming they've gotten a "great correction" Flerc and I will charge in there and demand to see their xrays to determine for ourselves just how great we think their correction is and let them know that they *must* show us their xray to prove that they're not "hiding something" with their bold claims. Let's see how that goes over.
[Maria's post slips in: The difference, IMO, is that you are talking about a single person's response. I'm assuming other people were supportive or you would not have stuck around. In the case I'm describing, there was a four-person pile up after the first post of people demanding xrays, suggesting people were hiding something, and openly discussing whether or not this or that poster was a plant. One would have to be *very* hardy indeed to stick around after that. I'm hardy myself, and even I would have left. Why would *anyone* remain in a place where they were so greeted?]
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