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    Sonoran Spine Center

    just wondering if anyone has heard of the Sonoran Spine Center...
    they list a few different locations in Arizona...
    i just saw a Dr Michael Chang.... on The Doctors show on TV that i recorded on Friday April 13...
    he showed a fusion surgery T3 to L4...with the X rays....didn't say the size of the curve...
    the patient wasn't available ,as the surgery was recent...
    the after X ray looked very straight....
    he claimed that after healing, she could do any activity, including "sky diving"

    just asking if anyone knows of this place...???

    jess

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    I think most patients are released for sky-diving.

    As far as I can tell, the only universal restriction with a fusion is bungee jumping which non-fused people should not do either given the danger of back injury.

    Trampoline is another that is frequently restricted indefinitely but I am not sure why.

    Horseback riding is not restricted per my kids or any testimonial I have seen.
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    Sharon, that sky diving thing absolutely shocks me...
    even with fusion to sacrum....?????
    how can that be...landing from sky diving is risky as far as how exactly anyone lands....
    it seems jarring...not like bungee jumping, but jarring just the same...
    i did not think anyone with fusion to sacrum can be flexible on demand...not knowing what
    position they will have to be prepared for....
    though i know people can ski, like TiEd, it still seems sky diving puts you on the ground
    harder.....?????

    jess

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    Jess,

    I don't know about folks fused to sacrum but I would guess they have less restrictions (after fusion) than folks with one or two discs below a long fusion that need to be protected.

    Linda might know.
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    I really can't even imagine how unpleasant such a hard, jarring landing would be with a long fusion or fusion to sacrum. It seems ridiculously foolhardy to me, and without seeing the website or claim, it seems like the surgeon is being boastful about how great his results are.

    I thought I was interested in skydiving once, a long time ago in my early twenties. I called some skydiving outfit and was told that they would strongly discourage me from ever trying it, and at that time, I had just a L4-S1 fusion.
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    People with fusion to the sacrum have more restrictions in the short term, but I agree with Sharon, we probably have fewer restrictions long term (since we have no discs below our fusions to take the impact). Every doctor is different, but I think most doctors release patients to do just about anything. If a fusion is solid, we are actually able to withstand more than people with no fusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    If a fusion is solid, we are actually able to withstand more than people with no fusion.
    This rings a bell. I have either read it or was told it.

    A solid fusion is probably harder to break than an unfused back. More bone involved. In the case of fusion to pelvis, that is a lot more "bone" to take a jarring than just S1.

    I am guessing that is why there might be fewer restrictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    This rings a bell. I have either read it or was told it.

    A solid fusion is probably harder to break than an unfused back. More bone involved. In the case of fusion to pelvis, that is a lot more "bone" to take a jarring than just S1.

    I am guessing that is why there might be fewer restrictions.
    Few, if any of us, are fused to the pelvis. Pelvic fixation doesn't usually involve fusion of the S-I joint. The screws or bolts that go into the pelvis are just there to anchor the fusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindaRacine View Post
    Few, if any of us, are fused to the pelvis. Pelvic fixation doesn't usually involve fusion of the S-I joint. The screws or bolts that go into the pelvis are just there to anchor the fusion.

    --Linda
    Ah okay. Thanks. I will try to remember that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    Trampoline is another that is frequently restricted indefinitely but I am not sure why.
    I believe that most orthos would tell you they simple hate trampolines for ANYONE. I'm told they see too many injuries from trampolines and would discourage anyone - whether they have had back surgery or not - to stay off of them.
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    but then how do all those broken rods happen, as reported on this forum....??????
    i read about either people scared they broke a rod, or they actually did break the rod in some place
    or other...
    if fusions are solid enough to withstand almost any activity, WHAT are these people who break rods
    doing out there....??????

    jess

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    Jess

    The goal is to fuse nice and solid. Sometime that doesn’t happen and we only find out when metal breaks....

    I think Karen mentioned that Dr Lenke has seen pseudo’s at 9 years post....

    I have had a few falls skiing, even flipped over once in the powder. These were low speed falls....I wouldn’t want to fall doing any activity that involves any speed....Its not good to get slammed hard in any condition, age or shape.

    I have to say now that my full fusion doesn’t bother me much. I am extremely pleased with the outcome.
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    well, good to know....
    but i wonder about at just a certain angle...??
    so PLEASE...be careful anyway!

    jess

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    Quote Originally Posted by mariaf View Post
    I believe that most orthos would tell you they simple hate trampolines for ANYONE. I'm told they see too many injuries from trampolines and would discourage anyone - whether they have had back surgery or not - to stay off of them.
    Ah okay. So it is in the same category as bungee jumping... nobody should do it. Nothing particular to fusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrnyc View Post
    but then how do all those broken rods happen, as reported on this forum....??????
    It's my understanding that all broken rods are from pseudoarthrosis (the paper clip bending analogy). Certainly all the cases on this group that I have read have been in that category.

    Trauma that would break an unfused back may or may not break a fused back/rod system.
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