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Thread: Treatment: PT using MedX per Mooney & later, McIntire research

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMom View Post
    Pooka,

    I had a few minutes until my next project so I tried to attach the .pdf, (simple process once I knew the steps.) The "blank" chart I use contains 186.9KB, which exceeds the 100.00KB allowed on this system. I removed the text preceding it, three of the five calendar rows, and the shading in the table and it remained too large to insert. Out of time, I really will have to try it on Monday.

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    I just checked the size of my table. Either it is some coincidence or it was resized during upload to 99.9 kb.

    I will test this by doing a bigger table.. maybe adding a column for chinchillas and adding some "data". :-)

    One minute...
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    I didn't save the original table to edit but I have a .pdf that is 322 kb which was resized to <100 kb upon upload...

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    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Okay I grabbed a bunch of data to try to make the excel file as big as possible but the .pdf was still only 155 kb. It would not upload. I think that reproduces the problem you saw. I will mess around with this to see if there is a work around.
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    Massive data table in Excel, copied to Word and saved as .pdf (487 kb).

    That did not upload either. Hmmmm.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Has anyone else notice this during CTR?

    [QUOTE=AMom;129879]Treatment: PT using MedX per Mooney & later, McIntire research

    Our daughter is growing and needs to be refitted occasionally in the equipment. If your child is doing the same routine, have any of you noticed a similar response during a change (modification to equipment) in your child's workout?

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    When refitting her in the machine, we noticed that she was unable to move the same weight at various, but similar seat heights. We checked her lumbar curve while seated--it looked good, checked the torso to leg angle--it was good and then began to question why there was a difference in her ability to move the weight. We asked several specialists and then decided to modify her seating slightly. It was decided we would make only one change at a time, so we added one seat height (higher.)

    It has taken 17 weeks for my daughter to be able to move 44lbs on the raised seat cushion (this is the same weight she moves when seated on her regular seat cushion.) She works out 3x per week, alternating between the two seat heights the entire period of time. She will continue this pattern for one full week and then add the third (lower) seat height. At that point, she will alternate as follows:
    Monday: lower seat height
    Wednesday: regular seat height
    Saturday: higher seat height

    I would not have expected there a strength difference at slightly (inch or less) different seat heights.

    Constructive criticism welcome.

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    First of all, I will say that I don't know much about the machine that your daughter uses. But I don't think you need ANY criticism here.

    I think it has to simply do with what the body gets accustomed to. She is at one position for a while before you decide to adjust for growth, yes? Her body is adjusting to the weight while she is growing. When the seat height suddenly gets changed, even a little (an inch in one sitting is quite a lot when you consider how fast a child grows) then she is forced to use her muscles differently than formerly accustomed to. Even though this new height may force her to use her muscles properly, they just aren't used to that position, yet.

    I wouldn't freak out about it too much (not suggesting you are). I would just suggest lowering the weight to a level that she can tolerate with the same comfort as before and increasing according to her abilities. You may have to do this over and over until she's done growing.

    Lowering the weight, in my opinion, doesn't necessarily mean a setback. Unfortunately, they don't make gym equipment that will grow with the child. The settings are at certain increments which we are stuck by. It would be nice if they could invent a self-adjusting machine that can slide to the correct position EVERY time the child sits in it so as to grow with the child. I'm not aware of any such devices, but who knows?...

    I think you are doing an awesome job in being proactive with your child's spine health.

    Take Care,
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    Has anyone else noticed this during CTR?

    Rohrer,

    Thanks for the vote of confidence. You are right, I wasnít freaking out, but I was surprised. We didnít expect such an abrupt change; she dropped from being able to do 20x at 42lbs to 20x at 28 Ė 36lbs depending on whether the seat was higher or lower than normal (estimated the 28-36 weight because my ankle is sprained & I donít want to walk across the house to get her chart). A 6-14lb change seems to be a wide range considering the weight she is currently moving. Based on her breathing, focus, and facial expression, she appeared to be working harder to achieve the 20x at the lower weights. And, the fact it took over 4 months to even her strength at both seat heights tells me a couple of things:
    1. Her muscles are stronger than when she first began her workouts because the starting weight at the
    new seat height was higher than the starting weight in Feb 2011;
    2. She progressed at this seat height faster than she progressed initially; and
    3. It implies the workout is not distributing the strength equally.

    This is making me wonder if slight variations in seat height will distribute strength more evenly, which in turn, may help her to better respond to growth spurts. Furthermore, it is making me question the placement of her hands during the workout. How much of an impact would raising or lowering her hands have on the targeted muscle groups? I wish I had access to an EMG (and someone to interpret the data) and I better understood the function of the body so I could make educated guesses as to our course of action. Extrapolating from what I read, given my lack of background, is like shooting in the dark, if I hit my mark it will be due more to luck than skill.

    I am curious to see if anyone/ everyone else has come across abrupt changes in ability with such small changes in positioning?

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    Doesn't Keving McIntire do research on torso rotation? You could shoot him a private message and ask him.... Just a thought.

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    Good Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by rohrer01 View Post
    Doesn't Kevin McIntire do research on torso rotation? You could shoot him a private message and ask him.... Just a thought.
    Good idea. I sent him some info & questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMom View Post
    Good idea. I sent him some info & questions.
    It's amazing McIntire is a member here. He is a great resource.

    It's him or nobody as he is the only living person who has actually studied TR. If Mooney was alive there would be some very pointed questions for him.
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    Mooney & McIntire

    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    It's amazing McIntire is a member here. He is a great resource.

    It's him or nobody as he is the only living person who has actually studied TR. If Mooney was alive there would be some very pointed questions for him.
    I wish Mooney's team had collected more details during the study, but I am thankful they considered this avenue at all. I have been corresponding with a doctor who worked on his team, but I'm guessing because it is no longer a focus of their practice, there isn't much interest. Or, it could be I am focusing on minor details that have little bearing on outcome and they are simply too polite to tell me. (Iíd rather hear the facts than continue to stumble along blindly.) Still they have been polite and shared basics.

    I tend to ask for information that isn't known or readily available, but McIntire has been patient with my requests. He has been wonderful about sharing his opinion and explaining why his thinking is heading a particular direction. I am hoping he will be able to forward some comparative data from his research so I can note the similarities and differences we see as my daughter progresses. Iíll keep sharing what happens on this thread unless x-rays say we need to consider surgery.

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    Well let's just hope that she doesn't need surgery, okay? Best wishes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post
    Awesome! Do you pronounce it [toez-is] or [toez-ies]?


    Quote Originally Posted by Pooka1 View Post



    Not only clear but well written and well-reasoned. Easily one of the best posts i have read in a long while.



    No actually I though you might have a background in research or something that requires analyzing a situation, taking onboard the literature implications and limitations, proposing a reasonable hypothesis, and keeping meticulous records to piece it all together. Clearly this can be learned outside of a graduate program.

    This type of material seems amenable to being published as a case study because it is so good. I congratulate you.

    It certainly appears the PT has stabilized her curves, especially in light of the surgeons remarks. Hard work pays off hopefully.
    I assumed/questioned the same thing. She made me 2 great tables that I wish we had when we published. The ability to condense information like that into an easy to follow table or chart is an enviable skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin_Mc View Post
    Awesome! Do you pronounce it [toez-is] or [toez-ies]?
    I prefer "toez-zez" (stress on the first syllable) like "Suez" (Canal). Are you struggling to join the ranks of rodent aficionados? Please let me know if I can help.

    I assumed/questioned the same thing. She made me 2 great tables that I wish we had when we published. The ability to condense information like that into an easy to follow table or chart is an enviable skill.
    Some folks are just talented like that.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    There's a lot of nice pronunciations in biology.... ;-)

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