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    Exercising

    Since I can't do crunches anymore, does anyone know of a replacement exercise for someone with 18 inch rods?
    Katie

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    Try the pilates 100, it's hard to explain but you lift your legs a few inches off the floor and your back too but you keep it straight you hold the position as you pulse your arms up and down 100 times.
    Pre-surgery 5/27/11
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    Lumbar 0

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    If you go to this old thread, you'll find an attachment with some core strengthening exercises I wrote out from my PT.

    http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showt...9707#post59707
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    2007 52 w/ severe lumbar stenosis & L2L3 lateral listhesis (side shift)
    5/4/07 posterior spinal fusion T2-L4 w/ laminectomies and osteotomies @L2L3, L3L4
    Dr. Kim Hammerberg, Rush Univ. Medical Center in Chicago

    Corrected to 15
    CMT (type 2) DX in 2014, progressing
    NEW 10/2018 x-rays show spondylolisthesis at L4/L5 - Dr. DeWald is monitoring

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    Thanks, I'll give it a try.

    In response to Carole, is it unusual that I can't lift my back off the ground? I'm an athletic person and it's not like I'm really out of shape or anything, but I tried what you suggested, and I could only do the leg part.
    Katie

    My blog: http://scoliosis-braceyourself.blogspot.com/
    My video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NG9hMohsU0

    5 Boston back braces
    Spinal fusion- Nov. 17, 2009, senior year of high school
    52 and 57 degrees pre-surgery, 22 and 20 degrees post-surgery
    Dr. Kim Hammerberg, Shriners Children's Hospital, Chicago
    Back into volleyball and music as a senior in college!

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    Quote Originally Posted by braceyourself View Post
    Thanks, I'll give it a try.

    In response to Carole, is it unusual that I can't lift my back off the ground? I'm an athletic person and it's not like I'm really out of shape or anything, but I tried what you suggested, and I could only do the leg part.
    Katie, That sounds like too strenuous an exercise for someone with a spinal fusion to be doing to start strengthening the abs. Have you had Physical Therapy yet? I don't know when you had your surgery, but you should be able to do very minimal crunches to begin with. My favorite after that was to do what my therapist called the dead bug exercise. Lay on your back, bend your knees so that your shins are parallel to the floor and move one knee toward you as you move the arm on the same side toward your knee, then reverse by moving your knee back to starting position and your arm over you head as you move your other knee toward you with that arm on the same side toward your knee. Do this as many times as you can and build up more reps as your abs become stronger. Also as your abs become stronger, you can move your legs out farther beyond starting position. I hope this makes sense as it is hard to describe. Once you can do this exercise for three minutes at a time, you will know your abs are much stronger. You can also add one or two pound hand weights.
    Have fun.

    Sally
    Diagnosed with severe lumbar scoliosis at age 65.
    Posterior Fusion L2-S1 on 12/4/2007. age 67
    Anterior Fusion L3-L4,L4-L5,L5-S1 on 12/19/2007
    Additional bone removed to decompress right side of L3-L4 & L4-L5 on 4/19/2010
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    I'll have to butt in here too and agree with Sally. Sometimes what is ok for some of us isn't for others, depending on the length and location of the fusion. My surgeon made sure my PT got the message "absolutely NO bridging" -- which is what it sounds like you are describing, when your back and buttocks are both off the floor. Be careful with what you do, and if you're not sure if it's ok, check with your surgeon's office. You don't want to compromise your fusion for some tighter abs.
    67 and plugging along...
    2007 52 w/ severe lumbar stenosis & L2L3 lateral listhesis (side shift)
    5/4/07 posterior spinal fusion T2-L4 w/ laminectomies and osteotomies @L2L3, L3L4
    Dr. Kim Hammerberg, Rush Univ. Medical Center in Chicago

    Corrected to 15
    CMT (type 2) DX in 2014, progressing
    NEW 10/2018 x-rays show spondylolisthesis at L4/L5 - Dr. DeWald is monitoring

    Click to view my pics: pics of scoli x-rays digital x-rays, and pics of me

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    It's been almost a year and a half. And I didn't have any PT. Did all of you? I also had pretty much my whole back (I don't know the vertebrae numbers) fused, so that's probably why I couldn't do that one.
    Katie

    My blog: http://scoliosis-braceyourself.blogspot.com/
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    5 Boston back braces
    Spinal fusion- Nov. 17, 2009, senior year of high school
    52 and 57 degrees pre-surgery, 22 and 20 degrees post-surgery
    Dr. Kim Hammerberg, Shriners Children's Hospital, Chicago
    Back into volleyball and music as a senior in college!

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    I didn't have pt either. I asked the surgeon about it and he bluntly said No. He also said no to a heel lift because my left shoulder is lower than my right but when I lift the heel on that side, I even up nicely. I find myself standing with that heel raised about 2cm, anyway.

    The only thing my surgeon wanted me to do was walk. I still do. I just got back from a walk in the warm Winter sunshine (about 22 degrees C) and it always makes me feel good.
    Surgery March 3, 2009 at almost 58, now 63.
    Dr. Askin, Brisbane, Australia
    T4-Pelvis, Posterior only
    Osteotomies and Laminectomies
    Was 68 degrees, now 22 and pain free

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    I am now about 8 months post-op, and doing great, but I definitely feel I need a core strengthening program. I think a lot of the exercises mentioned up thread are not applicable for those fused to sacrum (as I am), because the motions prescribed simply are not possible when fused to sacrum. I am quite sure there are other ways to exercise the core, I just need to find out what they are!! I am a swimmer and swim 20-45 minutes 5 days per week, but I can tell my abdominal muscles have gotten out of shape anyway.

    I think I need a few visits to PT to learn an appropriate program for my core. I will check with my surgeon first since he never said anything about PT.
    Gayle, age 50
    Oct 2010 fusion T8-sacrum w/ pelvic fixation
    Feb 2012 lumbar revision for broken rods @ L2-3-4
    Sept 2015 major lumbar A/P revision for broken rods @ L5-S1


    mom of Leah, 15 y/o, Diagnosed '08 with 26* T JIS (age 6)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroleM View Post
    Try the pilates 100, it's hard to explain but you lift your legs a few inches off the floor and your back too but you keep it straight you hold the position as you pulse your arms up and down 100 times.
    I was told specifically never to try this exercise after lower lumbar fusion.
    Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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    Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation

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    Quote Originally Posted by leahdragonfly View Post
    I am now about 8 months post-op, and doing great, but I definitely feel I need a core strengthening program. I think a lot of the exercises mentioned up thread are not applicable for those fused to sacrum (as I am), because the motions prescribed simply are not possible when fused to sacrum. I am quite sure there are other ways to exercise the core, I just need to find out what they are!! I am a swimmer and swim 20-45 minutes 5 days per week, but I can tell my abdominal muscles have gotten out of shape anyway.

    I think I need a few visits to PT to learn an appropriate program for my core. I will check with my surgeon first since he never said anything about PT.
    Hi Gayle...

    I'm doing just that right now. I have a favorite PT who is not covered by insurance, but am going to her for a few sessions to come up with a few exercises that I can do the rest of my life. The told me that the best tummy exercise is:

    1) Lay on your back, and let your abdominal muscles relax completely.
    2) Take a deep breath with your ab muscles still releaxed, and blow out slowly, making a SHHHH sound with your mouth.
    3) As your tummy goes down from the release of breath, very lightly enhance it by tightening your ab muscles.
    4) BEFORE you take another breath, completely relax your ab muscles.
    5) Repeat.

    It's a very easy exercise to do once you've wrapped your head around it. I don't know yet whether it's working, as I've been doing it less than a week, but I've got a lot of confidence in this particular PT. She has a DPT, and worked at UCSF hospital, on the spine floor for years. She also saw patients in clinic with Dr. David Bradford, who is also completely confident with her skills.

    Regards,
    Linda
    Never argue with an idiot. They always drag you down to their level, and then they beat you with experience. --Twain
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    Surgery 1/20/11 A/P fusion L2-sacrum w/pelvic fixation

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    From reading this forum, it seems that some with a long fusion get PT early in their recovery while apparently some are told to just keep walking until 1 year. I am hoping to start PT at 6 months, however it makes me a little nervous thinking that I could do myself more harm than good.
    Karen

    Surgery-Jan. 5, 2011-Dr. Lenke
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    I've been in PT since 4 weeks post-op and I am now on a maintenance program. I work out 2 hrs a day, 3 days a week at my PT's office as a gym member.

    I do 180 dead bugs a week and have better obliques than I did pre-op. You have to really REALLY focus on keeping your lower back and abs glued to the table but they work.

    The first 50 secs of this video shows what I do - again, I'm under the care of a PT I trust.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f_0f...eature=related
    Female, age 38
    4 years of bracing, concluded at 42*upper/38*lower
    currently 64*upper/40*lower
    Fused T3-L4 on Feb 23 2011
    now 32*upper/18* lower

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    Thanks for attaching the Dead Bugs video. It is nice to have a new ab exercise.
    Karen

    Surgery-Jan. 5, 2011-Dr. Lenke
    Fusion T-4-sacrum-2 cages/5 osteotomies
    70 degree thoracolumbar corrected to 25
    Rib Hump-GONE!
    Age-60 at the time of surgery
    Now 66
    Avid Golfer & Tap Dancer
    Retired Kdgn. Teacher

    See photobucket link for:
    Video of my 1st Day of Golf Post-Op-3/02/12-Bradenton, FL
    Before and After Picture of back 1/7/11
    tap dancing picture at 10 mos. post op 11/11/11-I'm the one on the right.
    http://s1119.photobucket.com/albums/k630/pottoff2/

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    Lily, Thanks for the dead bug video. That is exactly the exercise I was trying to describe. In the beginning, it would be very difficult to extend the leg to the straight position, so I wouldn't even try that until you build up your muscles and can do it fairly easily. Shorter leg movements to start would be best.
    Sally
    Diagnosed with severe lumbar scoliosis at age 65.
    Posterior Fusion L2-S1 on 12/4/2007. age 67
    Anterior Fusion L3-L4,L4-L5,L5-S1 on 12/19/2007
    Additional bone removed to decompress right side of L3-L4 & L4-L5 on 4/19/2010
    New England Baptist Hospital, Boston, MA
    Dr. Frank F. Rands735.photobucket.com/albums/ww360/butterflyfive/

    "In God We Trust" Happy moments, praise God. Difficult moments, seek God. Quiet moments, worship God. Painful moments, trust God. Every moment, thank God.

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