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    I don’t remember much the day of the surgery or the day after. Surgery was Tuesday the 13th and they couldn’t get done what they wanted. They could only get a cage between S1 and L5. I have about 30 staples (they will be taken out during the next surgery). To put it in terms that my family in Wisconsin speaks – I feel like a deer that was just gutted, all the inners taken out, then put back in and stapled back up. I have no pain in my spine just my entire front. The hardest thing is to get up and down with little pain.

    Last Thursday I was given 2 units of blood because I was very anemic. I finally started feeling better on Friday. I got up each day to walk a little but Friday I walked all over!

    I know people came to visit me, but sometimes I was asleep. Please know I appreciate all the visits and food. My family has been well fed!! I am slowly going from jello and water to soup and tea. In fact, I had two teenagers peeling potatoes in my bedroom. It’s funny how potato peels fly! By the way, the soup tasted great!!

    When my mom talked to me a couple days ago I said there is no way I will every do this again. As of today, I am thinking better and know I need this
    next surgery to be fully back to normal.

    My husband and boys have been awesome! Our little one keeps telling me not to cough or laugh. He says, “You know mommy, it hurts so don’t do it!” Our middle one just keeps walking in the bedroom, looks at me, gives me a hug and leaves. Our oldest is doing his best to make me laugh in between texting. We also have a good friend’s daughter from Wisconsin staying for a week. She has been an angel. She keeps the boys on their toes and keeps offering to give me a leg massage. I need to especially thank my husband who gets to hear me rant and complain but still loves me. He is my rock!
    Saturday I got a couple special phone calls. My family reunion from my dad’s side of the family was in Greenleaf State Park in OK. I really wanted to be there since it seems like everyone is getting older. But my family called to say hi and that they missed me. The next phone call was from my high school class of 1980. I haven’t talked with many of these people since then. They had a family picnic and played pass the phone and say hi to me! I was shocked to tears!

    I do have one big question – now that more of my spine is fused, how do you wipe your bottom without twisting or bending? Stop laughing! This is serious. My PT guru told me to follow the “BLT”. No Bending, Lifting or Twisting for the next 6 to 9 months. Any suggestions?

    Next doctor appointment is Thursday for post and pre-op. He will be taking more x-rays to determine what the next surgery will entail. Until then, I have PT, OT and a nurse that come to our home to keep me going.

    Getting tired now. On two different pain meds and muscle relaxer. Also, typing makes me dizzy. God is still on the throne and in control!
    Barb

    11/1976 15th B-day
    Fusion with Harrington Rod, Milw, WI
    T4 to L4
    Pre-Surgery: 76 & 80
    Post-Surgery: 18 & 21

    5/2010 48 yrs old, Thornton, CO
    Flat Back, severe arthritis on bottom, severe pain & can barely walk

    7/13/2010 surgery - anterior
    7/27/2010 surgery - posterior
    8/30/2010 infection in abdomen surgery - 5 in hole
    10/28/2010 infection surgery - bigger hole
    11/03/2010 more infection surgery (18 cm by 14 cm hole), 20 lbs of flesch & tissue removed & wound vac attached

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    Barb-- it sounds like you are doing wonderfully well and you have quite a support system!!! I'm amazed at how coherent and "with it", conversationally, your post is.

    Many people have asked about questions such as yours... there really is no delicate way to put it. You just have to do the best you can. Forget the old way that they said girls were supposed to wipe, with your hand going behind you and wiping from front to back... that is not possible. You have to reach between your legs, the way they always told you not to... It's hard enough to just reach, if you have a long fusion-- and some people need to use little reachers to hold the TP, but most people don't. You'll have to wait and see and experiment a little and see how it goes. I used to have to use my fingertips to hold the TP and reach quickly, but it's gotten much better with time.

    I'm sure if you do a search you'll find other threads too-- plus others will chime in here. I used to have to squat just slightly, off the pot sort of, and that helped me reach a little better. I don't know if any of this helps or not.

    Rest up for now-- prayers and best wishes for surgery #2. Pretty soon the surgeries will be over and you can concentrate totally on the recovery part! God was my stronghold throughout my surgeries too-- and my life, of course. Hang on to your faith.

    Hey-- I know this sounds pretty dumb-- surely someone out there can come up with better ideas or something that doesn't sound quite so gross.
    Last edited by Susie*Bee; 07-20-2010, 06:53 AM.
    71 and plugging along... but having some problems
    2007 52° w/ severe lumbar stenosis & L2L3 lateral listhesis (side shift)
    5/4/07 posterior fusion T2-L4 w/ laminectomies and osteotomies @L2L3, L3L4
    Dr. Kim Hammerberg, Rush Univ. Medical Center in Chicago

    Corrected to 15°
    CMT (type 2) DX in 2014, progressing
    10/2018 x-rays - spondylolisthesis at L4/L5 - Dr. DeWald is monitoring

    Click to view my pics: pics of scoli x-rays digital x-rays, and pics of me

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    • #3
      My PT had me stand, put one foot up on a stool or whatever and reach behind me with wet wipes. Worked very well.

      I pray your second surgery it is a great success.
      Glenda
      Age 66 Georgia (63 at time of surgery)
      Bi-lateral laminectomy 2006
      Kyphoscoliosis, approx 38* lumbar scoliosis, stenosis, disk herniations, lower back and hip pain, w/radiating pain, stinging and numbness in legs.
      A/P fusion (T10-S2) 5/17/10 and 5/20/10
      Dr Yoon, Emory Orthopaedic and Spine Hospital, Atlanta, GA
      Pleased with outcome

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Susie*Bee View Post
        Barb-- it sounds like you are doing wonderfully well and you have quite a support system!!! I'm amazed at how coherent and "with it", conversationally, your post is.

        Many people have asked about questions such as yours... there really is no delicate way to put it. You just have to do the best you can. Forget the old way that they said girls were supposed to wipe, with you hand going behind you and wiping from front to back... that is not possible. You have to reach between your legs, the way they always told you not to... It's hard enough to just reach, if you have a long fusion-- and some people need to use little reachers to hold the TP, but most people don't. You'll have to wait and see and experiment a little and see how it goes. I used to have to use my fingertips to hold the TP and reach quickly, but it's gotten much better with time.

        I'm sure if you do a search you'll find other threads too-- plus others will chime in here. I used to have to squat just slightly, off the pot sort of, and that helped me reach a little better. I don't know if any of this helps or not.

        Rest up for now-- prayers and best wishes for surgery #2. Pretty soon the surgeries will be over and you can concentrate totally on the recovery part! God was my stronghold throughout my surgeries too-- and my life, of course. Hang on to your faith.

        Hey-- I know this sounds pretty dumb-- surely someone out there can come up with better ideas or something that doesn't sound quite so gross.
        LOL!!!
        Okay, I've stopped laughing! Susie B, you're so funny...but right. Just reach from the front, I've never had to talk about this, but I guess it is an issue. I found out pretty quickly that I could not reach around back. Baby wipes come in handy too. If you are wearing a brace, things can get very difficult...and comical!
        May 2008 Fusion T4 - S1, Pre-op Curves T45, L70 (age 48). Unsuccessful surgery.

        March 18, 2010 (age 50). Revision with L3 Osteotomy, Replacement of hardware T11 - S1 , addition of bilateral pelvic fixation. Correction of sagittal imbalance and kyphosis.

        January 24, 2012 (age 52) Revision to repair pseudoarthrosis and 2 broken rods at L3/L4.

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        • #5
          But DON'T flush the baby wipes! This can clog your drain and force you to call Roto Rooter (I know from having done it myself with my kiddos!). There are "toddler" wipes that can be flushed--and they do get the job done with fewer wipes. Have whoever is doing your shopping look in the diaper aisle of your grocery.

          Evelyn

          P.S. Glad you are doing well--will keep cheering you on for your next surgery!
          age 48
          80* thoracolumbar; 40* thoracic
          Reduced to ~16* thoracolumbar; ~0* thoracic
          Surgery 3/14/12 with Dr. Lenke in St. Louis, T4 to S1 with pelvic fixation
          Broken rods 12/1/19; scheduled for revision fusion L1-L3-4 with Dr. Lenke 2/4/2020
          Not "confused" anymore, but don't know how to change my username.

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          • #6
            All Wiped Out!!

            Hey Barb!

            Can't believe you're typing up a storm after your 1st big deal!! Good for you!
            I don't remember who suggested it as it was almost 5 years ago, but I have some "super tongs"...maybe 18" long... that I hung on a large cup hook near the commode, and used them for a very long time and with great success! I also had a raised toilet seat with side bars which really helped. These are all the gory little details that can make life after surgery much more tolerable..glad you asked!

            Best of luck with Part ll!!

            Sharon
            Singing the Blues
            Female 1951
            A/P Surgery Oct 13th & 17th '05, from T7-L5, 46 degree curve reduced to 19 degrees. Rib hump almost gone, but I have flatback. Thought it was "normal" and I would improve over time. I developed kyphosis above the surgical area. Had surgery with Dr Menmuir in Reno, Nv on October 13, 2010.
            Today I am still plagued with flatback, and I'm considering ALIF surgery.

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            • #7
              I am so impressed at how coherent you are! Thank goodness it will be all over soon. You're a brave lady and you've done well. So glad you're getting all the support you need. Hang in there, it won't be long until you have nothing more than healing ahead of you. Best wishes.
              Surgery March 3, 2009 at almost 58, now 63.
              Dr. Askin, Brisbane, Australia
              T4-Pelvis, Posterior only
              Osteotomies and Laminectomies
              Was 68 degrees, now 22 and pain free

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              • #8
                Originally posted by gmw View Post
                My PT had me stand, put one foot up on a stool or whatever and reach behind me with wet wipes. Worked very well.
                Glenda-- I thought about your method enough to see if it would actually work for someone like me, and no, it won't. Your fusion is much lower. Mine starts clear up by my neck and goes almost to my "gluteal cleft"... heh heh... (maybe 1" short of it?). It just does not allow for any flexibility to do that.

                Nap-- I hated to be so blunt, and spell it out so graphically, but glad it made you laugh. Sometimes there's just no genteel way to put things (or at least not that I could think of off the top of my head...) Barb asked, and I thought I'd try to help. Although maybe I didn't answer her question. If not, oh well! I still tried and at least made you laugh.

                And at least now we all know the caveat, thanks to Evelyn, of NOT using baby wipes, but rather using toddler wipes, unless we want clogged up drains. We have a septic tank, so my guess is neither would be good.
                Last edited by Susie*Bee; 07-20-2010, 07:59 AM.
                71 and plugging along... but having some problems
                2007 52° w/ severe lumbar stenosis & L2L3 lateral listhesis (side shift)
                5/4/07 posterior fusion T2-L4 w/ laminectomies and osteotomies @L2L3, L3L4
                Dr. Kim Hammerberg, Rush Univ. Medical Center in Chicago

                Corrected to 15°
                CMT (type 2) DX in 2014, progressing
                10/2018 x-rays - spondylolisthesis at L4/L5 - Dr. DeWald is monitoring

                Click to view my pics: pics of scoli x-rays digital x-rays, and pics of me

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                • #9
                  Barb,

                  Way to go...You sound great!!

                  I love the descriptions of your family and all the activity around you- so healing.

                  Haven't had surgery so can't comment on procedures, but am laughing at all the visuals I'm getting here. Thanks, Ladies. I will file for future reference.

                  It's the little things in life, isn't it?

                  Go Barb! May round 2 be successful and God bless you.

                  Amy
                  Amy
                  58 yrs old, diagnosed at 31, never braced
                  Measured T-64, L-65 in 2009
                  Measured T-57, L-56 in 2010, different doc
                  2 lumbar levels spondylolisthesis
                  Exercising to correct

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                  • #10
                    Barb, best wishes for a smooth and uncomplicated second surgery!

                    Ah, the "wiping" issue. I couldn't wipe front or back for a couple of weeks -- but right before I left rehab (at around 20 days post-op), I suddenly could. I'd gained just enough flexibility to be able to reach.

                    By the time I could finally do it myself, I felt as though everyone but the President had had their turn at helping me in the bathroom!
                    Chris
                    A/P fusion on June 19, 2007 at age 52; T10-L5
                    Pre-op thoracolumbar curve: 70 degrees
                    Post-op curve: 12 degrees
                    Dr. Boachie-adjei, HSS, New York

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                    • #11
                      The nurses recommended this gadget, and it worked wonderfully!! I used it for maybe 2 months.

                      http://www.amazon.com/Bottom-Buddy-T...9668800&sr=8-1
                      __________________________________________
                      Debbe - 50 yrs old

                      Milwalkee Brace 1976 - 79
                      Told by Dr. my curve would never progress

                      Surgery 10/15/08 in NYC by Dr. Michael Neuwirth
                      Pre-Surgury Thorasic: 66 degrees
                      Pre-Surgery Lumbar: 66 degrees

                      Post-Surgery Thorasic: 34 degrees
                      Post-Surgery Lumbar: 22 degrees

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by debbei View Post
                        The nurses recommended this gadget, and it worked wonderfully!! I used it for maybe 2 months.

                        http://www.amazon.com/Bottom-Buddy-T...9668800&sr=8-1
                        That's so funny, Amazon said they had 8 "new" ones in stock. I don't think I would want a used one! That's a great idea, by the way.
                        Be happy!
                        We don't know what tomorrow brings,
                        but we are alive today!

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                        • #13
                          Reality

                          It's amazing how we take such easy things for granted. Thanks for all the suggestions. My husband will be very happy to purchse this for me. Maybe he can have it gift wrapped with a rose!!

                          Still doing good. Still feel like a gutted deer with all these staples. They get stuck on my underwear and hit everytime I try to go close to anything. But my back feels GREAT!!! No pain at all from the spine and I've lost 10 pounds so far!

                          I got a funny phone call yesterday. The vascular surgeon's office called to schedule my two week follow-up appt. I told her I would be in the hospital having my next surgery and he could come there to see me. She had no idea what to do, I stumpted her. She said she would have to talk to her supervisior to see what to do.

                          Tomorrow I go to the spine doc again. More news after that appt.
                          Barb

                          11/1976 15th B-day
                          Fusion with Harrington Rod, Milw, WI
                          T4 to L4
                          Pre-Surgery: 76 & 80
                          Post-Surgery: 18 & 21

                          5/2010 48 yrs old, Thornton, CO
                          Flat Back, severe arthritis on bottom, severe pain & can barely walk

                          7/13/2010 surgery - anterior
                          7/27/2010 surgery - posterior
                          8/30/2010 infection in abdomen surgery - 5 in hole
                          10/28/2010 infection surgery - bigger hole
                          11/03/2010 more infection surgery (18 cm by 14 cm hole), 20 lbs of flesch & tissue removed & wound vac attached

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                          • #14
                            Wow Barb, you sound so good! I know you must be feeling great because your sense of humour is intact!
                            Surgery March 3, 2009 at almost 58, now 63.
                            Dr. Askin, Brisbane, Australia
                            T4-Pelvis, Posterior only
                            Osteotomies and Laminectomies
                            Was 68 degrees, now 22 and pain free

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                            • #15
                              More GREAT news!

                              I am delinquent on sending this email because I have been having so much fun! This is not a sarcastic remark, it is true. I feel GREAT!

                              During my first surgery they were not able to do what they had planned. They could only get a cage between the bottom verterbra. The other vertebrae were to full of arthritis and crumpled together that they couldn’t get it done. That’s okay.

                              I am currently able to stand up straight and walk with no pain in my spine, my stomach is a different story. On Wednesday I took a walk with our youngest (the broken leg boy) six houses down the block and back. Afterward I cried. He is 6 and I have NEVER been able to do this before. I still cry when I think about it - hormones!

                              I only had to use the walker for 6 days after surgery. I went out and bought a really cool cane just for stability. Pain meds are almost to nothing. My physical therapist says “You one crazy lady.“ (Yes, he is Asian.) I was put on a nerve pain med because that dang nerve that runs from the spine down my left leg to my toes likes to act up. I blame this on me trying to bend or twist.

                              I am on a BLT life for the next several months. BLT means no bending, lifting or twisting. Have you ever tried to wash your hands, brush your teeth or get in a car under these restrictions? It’s not easy.

                              I saw my spine specialist yesterday and he is also amazed how well I am doing.

                              Now for the next surgery on the 27th. Totally new procedure due to how well I am doing. He plans on opening up my entire spine, removing my existing rod, then doing a lot less fusion. My upper spine fells much better now that I stand up straight. There is some arthritis there but he doesn’t plan to touch it. On the lower back, he would like to try again to fix the space between L4 - L5 and also work on L2 - L3 and L3 - L4. Needless to say, I have been told this surgery will be more painful than the first. And no ostemony!!! If you do not know what this is, it is where they have to notch out the vertebrae to try to bend it back into place. I have been told it is a very painful procedure. Also, I may get out of the hospital quicker than 7 days!!!

                              If you cannot tell, I am happy and excited! All this pain and time is worth it.

                              Your prayers have helped tremendously, how else can you explain this. Please continue to pray. My goal is to be off all pain meds by September 1st before school starts. I want to be the wife and mom I haven’t been in many years.
                              Barb

                              11/1976 15th B-day
                              Fusion with Harrington Rod, Milw, WI
                              T4 to L4
                              Pre-Surgery: 76 & 80
                              Post-Surgery: 18 & 21

                              5/2010 48 yrs old, Thornton, CO
                              Flat Back, severe arthritis on bottom, severe pain & can barely walk

                              7/13/2010 surgery - anterior
                              7/27/2010 surgery - posterior
                              8/30/2010 infection in abdomen surgery - 5 in hole
                              10/28/2010 infection surgery - bigger hole
                              11/03/2010 more infection surgery (18 cm by 14 cm hole), 20 lbs of flesch & tissue removed & wound vac attached

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