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    pictures of my back: Scoliosis, lordosis and kyphosis. Discussion

    Hey everyone,

    I just wanted to take some pictures of my back in an attempt to better understand the problem and get to know scoliosis, kyphosis and lordosis better. I believe that better understanding leads to motivation which leads to change. It is my wish that we can discuss the different back problems in this post, and include knowledge from anatomy books, our own problems, exercises that help etc.

    Theory: If you have lordosis strengthen your abodminals, glutetues muscles
    Stretch: ilioposas (Hip flexer muscles) and quadriceps.
    I have been following this theory for about a year and to be honest I don't believe it. I think stabilizing the lower part of my lumbar muscles(erector spinae) is important for my back to be tall, stable and erect, but It's just a theory, and I don't know it is the answer??


    Kyphosis:
    Eradicating neck pain.
    I am working on my Kyphosis by strengthening my Longus cervicis, and Longis capitis front neck muscles, doing the chin tuck exercise and always keeping my chin tucked when looking down.
    When lifting objects I bull my shoulders down and back so my upper trapezius is not doing the lifting, but instead using my lower trapezius and bicep muscle to lift with.


    Scoliosis: My question is: I have a left lumbar curve. People always tell me to stretch the right concave side, but to me it looks like my lower back muscles are more developped in my left region of my lower back, pulling the spine to the left. And then as overcompensation my right upper trapezius muscles at my neck is overdeveloped. Does that make sense??


    Pictures
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...s/DSC00277.jpg

    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...s/DSC00269.jpg

    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...s/DSC00268.jpg

    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...s/DSC00275.jpg

    Update: might as well include pictures in top of post
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/Backview.jpg
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/DSC00296.jpg
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/DSC00284.jpg

    Bending test 2
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/DSC00306.jpg



    I believe that In order to eradicate this problems (Yes I know, I'm always optimistic), it's important to understand the problem 100% in order to exercise correctly. I want my daily neck pain to disappear and I want my back to be straighter and I am willing to do whatever it takes, and I will find a solution, and I hope some of you have the same goals. I Hope some of you are willing to look into these things and discuss some of your theories, and if you want post pictures of your own problem.
    The most important thing is, not to focus on the negative, but to focus on how we can change it to the better.

    Kind regards,
    Christian Fischer
    Last edited by Christian0710; 06-27-2010 at 02:44 PM. Reason: Might as well include them in the beginning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian0710 View Post
    It is my wish that we can discuss the different back problems in this post, and include knowledge from anatomy books, our own problems, exercises that help etc.
    Those are interesting pictures. I hope many people comment. I have a few comments.

    Kyphosis: Eradicating neck pain.
    Why do you have pain in your neck? Do you have one, two or three curves? Also, it's interesting that you have a lumbar curve and not too much of a thoracic curve (bending test looks to me like your thorax is normal) yet you have an asymmetrical rib hump on standing. I don't understand that.

    How big is your lumbar curve and your kyphosis?

    I hope PT helps with your neck pain. And your lumbar curve might not progress if isn't too big.

    Good luck.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Hi Christian,

    You have a curve pattern somewhat similar to my son's (although I'd suspect your scoliosis curve is less then his and your kyphotic curve is lower). But he has a scoliosis/kyphosis curve that comes up under his shoulderblade on one side. Do you know the degrees of your curve and whether they're relatively stable?

    Is your neck pain at all related to the stretches? Or do the stretches help relieve the pain? My son had a combination of skilled massage and stretches which helped with his neck pain (and also his head-forward posture) but he always has to be really careful of how he positions himself when sitting for awhile or his neck ends up bothering him.

    I'm not really qualified to offer specific stretches/exercises. My son got his from a combination of a really good masseuse and a really good physical therapist. Some members of the forum have purchases the book related to the Schroth therapies - you might try that and see if there's anything in there that helps. Also, if you get lucky, we have a resident expert of the board who would know more about the specific muscles involved.

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    Okay I tried one thing that instantly loosened up all my neck pain for a while. When looking at my back I can see that my ribcage is posterior tilted, which probably contributes to my kyphosis.

    I tried lying on my stomach on the floor, with a small rolled up towel placed on the inferior (lower) region of my rib cage right where my abdominal wall begins. This tilted back my rib cage and allowed me to breathe into my sunken chest and my back, feeling big release in my upper back and neck.

    Illustration of what a posteriorly tilted rib cage looks like from the book "8 steps to a pain free-back"

    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/Billede3.jpg

    I need to train some kind of muscle (must be the upper abdominal muscles) that will pull down on my front part of the rib cage. Any ideas???



    Quote Originally Posted by pooka1
    Why do you have pain in your neck? Do you have one, two or three curves? Also, it's interesting that you have a lumbar curve and not too much of a thoracic curve (bending test looks to me like your thorax is normal) yet you have an asymmetrical rib hump on standing. I don't understand that.

    How big is your lumbar curve and your kyphosis?
    I am still not sure if I have more than 2 curves. I'm on the waiting list for having my x-rays taken, but it's a long list unfortunately. I think I have neck pain mainly due to my overuse of my upper trapezius due to my slumped shoulders and my kyphosis.
    Yes I too find my back to be a big puzzle (and scoliosis in general), these problems are quite complex!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian0710 View Post
    I am still not sure if I have more than 2 curves. I'm on the waiting list for having my x-rays taken, but it's a long list unfortunately. I think I have neck pain mainly due to my overuse of my upper trapezius due to my slumped shoulders and my kyphosis.
    Yes I too find my back to be a big puzzle (and scoliosis in general), these problems are quite complex!
    Your bending test looks almost normal to me. It is incredible to me that you have the amount of asymmetry you have standing when you almost "fail" the forward bending test for scoliosis as far as I can tell. If a person didn't know to look for the minor asymmetry above your left hip, your forward bending picture would appear normal to many folks I think.

    Someone on this group will know about this but is seems unusual.

    Good luck.

    By the way, Denmark produced the best dressage horse of the 20th century against very stiff competition from a few other European countries notably Germany. So I congratulate you and your countrymen on that.
    Sharon, mother of identical twin girls with scoliosis

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    Question: What do you call alternative medicine that works?
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    Yeah, I noticed that, at least from the camera angle of the forward bend photo you didn't seem to have the traditional hump. However, I don't really know what that test would show if your primary issue was lordosis and the kyphosis was functional (instead of the more familiar structural kyphosis with a functional lordosis)

    Xrays would definitely help! If it's *all* functional, you're likely to get a pretty good result from exercise/stretching. If it's structural (which the xrays will show), there's only so much give in your muscles before they run up against the fixed structure of the spine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian0710 View Post
    Hey everyone,

    I just wanted to take some pictures of my back in an attempt to better understand the problem and get to know scoliosis, kyphosis and lordosis better. I believe that better understanding leads to motivation which leads to change. It is my wish that we can discuss the different back problems in this post, and include knowledge from anatomy books, our own problems, exercises that help etc.

    Theory: If you have lordosis strengthen your abodminals, glutetues muscles
    Stretch: ilioposas (Hip flexer muscles) and quadriceps.
    I have been following this theory for about a year and to be honest I don't believe it. I think stabilizing the lower part of my lumbar muscles(erector spinae) is important for my back to be tall, stable and erect, but It's just a theory, and I don't know it is the answer??


    Kyphosis:
    Eradicating neck pain.
    I am working on my Kyphosis by strengthening my Longus cervicis, and Longis capitis front neck muscles, doing the chin tuck exercise and always keeping my chin tucked when looking down.
    When lifting objects I bull my shoulders down and back so my upper trapezius is not doing the lifting, but instead using my lower trapezius and bicep muscle to lift with.


    Scoliosis: My question is: I have a left lumbar curve. People always tell me to stretch the right concave side, but to me it looks like my lower back muscles are more developped in my left region of my lower back, pulling the spine to the left. And then as overcompensation my right upper trapezius muscles at my neck is overdeveloped. Does that make sense??


    Pictures
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...s/DSC00277.jpg

    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...s/DSC00269.jpg

    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...s/DSC00268.jpg

    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...s/DSC00275.jpg

    Update: might as well include pictures in top of post
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/Backview.jpg
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/DSC00296.jpg
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/DSC00284.jpg

    Bending test 2
    http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...0/DSC00306.jpg



    I believe that In order to eradicate this problems (Yes I know, I'm always optimistic), it's important to understand the problem 100% in order to exercise correctly. I want my daily neck pain to disappear and I want my back to be straighter and I am willing to do whatever it takes, and I will find a solution, and I hope some of you have the same goals. I Hope some of you are willing to look into these things and discuss some of your theories, and if you want post pictures of your own problem.
    The most important thing is, not to focus on the negative, but to focus on how we can change it to the better.

    Kind regards,
    Christian Fischer
    look my photo... https://www.facebook.com/moreno.vlad...type=1&theater

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