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    Personal invective is not evidence. If you...

    Personal invective is not evidence.

    If you share evidence that I've said something about treatment which is just flatly wrong and misleading, please share that so that I can evaluate it, for...
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    I think we're saying something different. I think...

    I think we're saying something different. I think you're saying that the back and forth makes it hard to locate the real information. I'm saying that the information, itself, is not the sort of...
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    My point (and interest) is not in tone, per se. I...

    My point (and interest) is not in tone, per se. I understand that people get upset in support forums.

    My point (and interest) is that characterizations and name calling are being used as tools to...
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    You'd have to take that up with Linda or the...

    You'd have to take that up with Linda or the people at NSF. Similar questions have been raised for years here. What I've heard in the past about other issues and posters is that everyone is expected...
  5. For anyone other adult interested in Spinecor for...

    For anyone other adult interested in Spinecor for adults, I received a response back from Alessandra Negrini at Isisco.

    Her response is in line with what I'd expected. They're have some adults...
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    And that makes sense for an office with a central...

    And that makes sense for an office with a central authority enforcing rules. That's not where we are - if there are rules, I'm not aware of any central authority enforcing them. That leaves all of us...
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    Whether you consider your characterizations of me...

    Whether you consider your characterizations of me name calling or ad hominem, they're still at the bottom of the hierarchy. That is, instead of just engaging around the central facts of the...
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    Agreed. And you have every right to tell any...

    Agreed. And you have every right to tell any poster that you expect to be treated in a certain way. We're not moderated here, so we all just have to be clear about what we find acceptable and what we...
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    No, I don't think you're lying. But these...

    No, I don't think you're lying. But these conversations all happen in a public space and people reading them may not think the same thing about them as the people writing them. That doesn't make one...
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    No, my standards are pretty firm (although,...

    No, my standards are pretty firm (although, obviously, not infallible). It really is important to me that I live up to my own guidelines. Falling down the hierarchy is always a failure, IMO.

    The...
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    No, that is not true. I do not *cause* your...

    No, that is not true. I do not *cause* your behavior. You choose your behavior. In each post you write, you choose whether to engage the central fact or whether to drop down to ad hominem and name...
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    For the rest of your arguments which appear to be...

    For the rest of your arguments which appear to be that you're more able to analyze and present the results of the BrAIST study then are Weinstein, Dolan, et al, I've found Dr. Weinstein to be very...
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    Congratulations! We've arrived at the bottom of...

    Congratulations! We've arrived at the bottom of the disagreement hierarchy. Get your casual name calling here.

    Again, if you have a central argument, feel free to share it. Otherwise, find someone...
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    Yes, of course. We all enter these conversations...

    Yes, of course. We all enter these conversations knowing that we're trying to make sense of information that is beyond our training.

    Except, I will note, that for reasons which aren't clear to me,...
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    Yes, I understand that you do not believe the...

    Yes, I understand that you do not believe the participants of this forum are capable of making sense of the research. Hence my confusion as to why you keep discussing the research here.

    But, back...
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    On the expected long-term results from bracing. ...

    On the expected long-term results from bracing.

    From everything I've read, once one has stopped bracing, your chances of progression in adulthood are figured from your ending curve. And the risks...
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    Back to the opening quote (in the other topic,...

    Back to the opening quote (in the other topic, where I couldn't post)

    Here's Dr. Hey's headline about the BrAIST study:

    "Are Scoliosis Braces Adolescent Idiopathic Scoliosis Effective for...
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    One SD is the accepted standard. You're not...

    One SD is the accepted standard. You're not trying to map all of the data - you're just giving a measure of variability around the mean.

    On the rest, I believe we talked in depth about their study...
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    I'm not certain that I find it hard to interpret....

    I'm not certain that I find it hard to interpret. It addresses one of the burning questions we've had about bracing - does it work or will the positive results we've seen disappear as soon as we...
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    My point was that the data display you were...

    My point was that the data display you were asking for - the end curve at the end of the study for every participant - would not more clearly address the central question of this study. It would be a...
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    My sense is that the graph comes directly from...

    My sense is that the graph comes directly from the design of the experiment. Specifically, there was a lot of talk in the bracing research, before this study, about how we had to not just focus on...
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    Correct, we don't have that data. Nor do we have...

    Correct, we don't have that data. Nor do we have a graph showing the success rate of the unbraced kids.

    But we *do* have a table of success percentages with error bars.

    And what we can see from...
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    One possible misconception I see cropping up...

    One possible misconception I see cropping up about the BrAIST study is that following these kids for a few years is likely to change *the relationship* between what's seen in the braced and unbraced...
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    I also feel certain that surgeons have at least...

    I also feel certain that surgeons have at least some sense of the difficulty of brace treatment. Even if they're not living with these kids, they have to know that some percentage of the kids stop...
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    Oh, yes, absolutely. I only mentioned it in...

    Oh, yes, absolutely. I only mentioned it in response to your comment that kids even had problems with this more common treatment. For my son, he was the only kid in college with braces. I had mine...
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