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ScoliosisGal
07-01-2009, 04:01 PM
Hi,

A Physical Therapist told me that my scoliosis can be improved by doing a side-lying plank exercise on my right side ( my spine curves to the right in the lumbar area) and stretching the left side. Is this true? My chiropractor said no, this will make my curve worse. Who is right? Anyone with a kinesiology degree know the answer. I don't want to make my curve worse. Thanks.

Dingo
07-01-2009, 04:41 PM
ScoliosisGal

I am not a physical therapist but I'd strengthen both sides equally with "The Plank" and other exercises.

Why?

To date the only physical therapy found to work is built on the concept of strengthening both sides equally.

Thread: Torso Rotation Strength Training for Scoliosis (http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8976)

MissEmmyF
07-01-2009, 05:04 PM
Hi,

A Physical Therapist told me that my scoliosis can be improved by doing a side-lying plank exercise on my right side ( my spine curves to the right in the lumbar area) and stretching the left side. Is this true? My chiropractor said no, this will make my curve worse. Who is right? Anyone with a kinesiology degree know the answer. I don't want to make my curve worse. Thanks.

I've heard this too (i.e. strengthen your convex side and stretch out your convex side). The reason for this way of thinking is that the muscles on your curved side (convex) are over-stretched due to the curve. Therefore, it seems logical to think they need to be contracted/strengthened. So, it stands to reason then that the opposite side of your curve (concave) are over-strengthened and need to be stretched out. I've been doing a PT approach like that for my scoliosis for a number of years now. I wasn't getting enough pain relief until I found Schroth. But, if PT helps to relieve any pain you might have and gets you moving better, etc., then go for it.

In Schroth, you focus on more than simply stretching out one side and strengthening the other side. Instead, you treat scoliosis in a 3 dimensional manner...meaning each exercise has you unrotating, strengthening, and lengthening your whole back (both sides). Schroth views the concave side as the "weak" side in scoliosis (which seems a little contrary to what I stated above) because those muscles can atrophy from disuse. So, by doing Schroth, you end up stretching AND strengthening your concave side (and your convex side) all at once.

betty14
07-01-2009, 05:20 PM
Hi,

A Physical Therapist told me that my scoliosis can be improved by doing a side-lying plank exercise on my right side ( my spine curves to the right in the lumbar area) and stretching the left side. Is this true? My chiropractor said no, this will make my curve worse. Who is right? Anyone with a kinesiology degree know the answer. I don't want to make my curve worse. Thanks.

Hi there:
I can help you come up with an exercise if you answer this:
-to which side is the lumbar curve convex, and to which side is your thoracic spine convex? I was unsure from what you wrote, because some people describe a curve from the top down, and some from the bottom up.
- do the tops of your pelvic bones sit fairly level, or is one hiked up?

Cheers,
B.

ScoliosisGal
07-01-2009, 05:37 PM
Hi there:
I can help you come up with an exercise if you answer this:
-to which side is the lumbar curve convex, and to which side is your thoracic spine convex? I was unsure from what you wrote, because some people describe a curve from the top down, and some from the bottom up.
- do the tops of your pelvic bones sit fairly level, or is one hiked up?

Cheers,
B.
Hi,

The lumbar curve is convex to the right side and the thoracic spine is convex on the left side if you are looking at me from the back.

ScoliosisGal
07-01-2009, 06:55 PM
Does anyone know where I can find a Schroth center in Los Angeles?

betty14
07-01-2009, 07:31 PM
Hi,

The lumbar curve is convex to the right side and the thoracic spine is convex on the left side if you are looking at me from the back.

That's opposite of the most common pattern, which is what I have. If you feel with your hands, the muscles on your left side should be softer and smaller than those on the right.

I'll try to desribe this Schroth exercise that I do (for my right side), for you to strengthen your left lumbar region.

Imagine a capital I that is wide and short. Your lumbar spine is the straight vertical line, and the bottom of your ribcage and the top of your pelvis are the wide horizontal lines. Right now the I is twisted, you must straighten it and hold it.

Standing feet wider than shoulders, knees bent a little.
Draw your left ribcage forward a bit, push your left pelvis back a bit.
Think about lengthening the lumbar spine a bit.
Imagine your I is solid steel, you can't twist or bend it.
Place your left foot a little further away and rotate out from your hip so your toe points out.
Your right knee will need to bend more.
"Tip" your body right as you do the above, do not let the I twist or bend and continue to elongate your body.
Your left lumbar spine muscles should be working hard, your right should be relaxed.

There are several other steps that only a Schroth therapist would be able to give you, because I could never explain it well enough here. But, this is the basic excercise.

If you have strong shoulders, you could do a side plank between your elbow and knees. The side facing UP is the working side. You should definitely focus more reps on the weak side.

Good luck!

MissEmmyF
07-01-2009, 09:33 PM
Does anyone know where I can find a Schroth center in Los Angeles?

The closest that I know of in CA is Beatriz Torres (PT) in Palo Alto:
Phone: 650-494-2359
Email: btorres3380@sbcglobal.net
http://www.scoliosispt.net/

ScoliosisGal
07-01-2009, 10:41 PM
Does anyone know anything about the Scoliosis Center in Los Angeles? Anyone ever been there?

Is the stronger side my left side? That's the higher hip and my waist is more defined on that side. When I do the side lying plank, that side needs to be facing up right?

MissEmmyF
07-02-2009, 06:52 AM
Does anyone know anything about the Scoliosis Center in Los Angeles? Anyone ever been there?

I do not, but I do know it's Clear Institute based (not Schroth). There's actually a non surgical forum that is set up by a Clear Institute practitioner (www.fixscoliosis.com/forum/) if you're interested. You may be able to find more answers on that forum, but be aware that they are obviously supporters of that method. I researched it fully and didn't feel it was right for me.

trcylynn
07-02-2009, 03:45 PM
I'm completely confused now... I should know convex/concave but I keep getting them confused.

When looking at me from the back it makes a "C" in my lumbar region. My left side (the side with the arc of the "C") is stronger- or so I think based on my back and ab definition than my right. I flex my left obliques to "push" my ribcage over to the right so that I'm making the "C" more narrow so its less noticeable therefore my right obliques hardly ever work...

Currently when I do a side plank I rest and lift the right side of my body (as in my right elbow is on the floor) I thought that was the way to work my right obliques... they were extremely sore the next day so I thought I was doing it correct- am I not?

ScoliosisGal
07-02-2009, 04:35 PM
I'm really confused now too. Looking at me from the back, I have a backwards C. My left waistline is more defined than my right so I would think that is the stronger side and I need to strenghten the opposite or right side, right?

dailystrength
07-23-2009, 07:10 PM
Yes, this has me all confused also. I just wish I knew what is good for me - I am sure I am guessing all wrong. I went to a Clear Institute provider and saw all kinds of large, cumbersome machines, and she could not give me a long-term outcome report as "it's a fairly new treatment". Also it cost an arm and a leg. The Schroth (original method) sounds good. I will try to find one or else try the Alexander Technique class at my gym.

MissEmmyF
07-24-2009, 09:45 AM
i can't recommend schroth highly enough for someone that is looking for a targeted exercise based scoliosis program. before learning schroth i also didn't know what exactly was good or bad for my scoliosis. it's a very confusing thing because it's a complex 3 dimensional problem. i was doing PT and yoga, but i wasn't sure if i was doing the right poses, doing them properly, etc. but, now that i've been doing schroth faithfully for over 2 months my pain is almost non existent (and it was pretty bad before - i would feel like i needed to stretch in the morning before i could even think about starting my day - now i really feel pretty good when i wake up). plus, all the exercises i do now totally make sense, and i'm able to do them very well. it's worth it to take the time and the money to learn schroth. it's a small investment, and then you can be off on your own doing your exercises each day without having to worry about using machines, relying on practitioners, etc. (like with the clear institute method). it's very empowering, and i'm noticing postural changes already.

dailystrength
07-28-2009, 12:17 PM
Thank you so much, Miss Emmy, for recommending the Scroth. In what part of the country do you live? I found one in Mass. but it's over $4000-- it would be nice to be able to spend less $$. I take it you learned it from a practitoner and not a book? I'd be happy to buy her book but learning in-person is helpful. Thanks, Christina

SLS
07-28-2009, 08:38 PM
You may want to check with the Scoliosis Rehab Center in Stevens Point, WI. The practice Schroth exclusively. Your health insurance may very well cover it. Ours did.

betty14
07-29-2009, 09:35 AM
Thank you so much, Miss Emmy, for recommending the Scroth. In what part of the country do you live? I found one in Mass. but it's over $4000-- it would be nice to be able to spend less $$. I take it you learned it from a practitoner and not a book? I'd be happy to buy her book but learning in-person is helpful. Thanks, Christina

Hi there:
I have been working from the book for several months, but am still going to see a Schroth therapist in person in August.
The book is a text book meant for PT's to learn the method, so it would be pretty hard for a non-therapist to really fully understand and use it IMO.
B.

gardenjen
07-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Our insurance didn't cover Scoliosis Rehab in Stevens Point so we paid privately, but one woman who was there when we were just came for one week because her insurance would only pay that amount. She planned to come back the next year to learn more. Maybe you could go at least a week to learn basic principles, practice them, then go back if you can afford more at a later date. Private pay was a little less than ~$2500/week when we went. It was a great experience at Beth Janssen's clinic - that's why I'm going off to Germany in September to learn the skills myself...

MissEmmyF
07-29-2009, 03:18 PM
Thank you so much, Miss Emmy, for recommending the Scroth. In what part of the country do you live? I found one in Mass. but it's over $4000-- it would be nice to be able to spend less $$. I take it you learned it from a practitoner and not a book? I'd be happy to buy her book but learning in-person is helpful. Thanks, Christina

I live in CT. Since there were no Schroth practitioners in CT the closest to me was MA...there were two practitioners there (Dr. Moramarco & Christine Sharkey), and I ended up going with Dr. Mormarco. Overall, it wasn't too expensive, and it was money well spent. Plus, it was only a one time thing, and not much maintenance is needed. I'm going back to see him again in Aug. for a 3 month check in just to make sure I'm doing my exercises correctly, possibly learn a couple more poses, etc. If you'd like to know more about the cost, please feel free to PM me.

Also, I have the Schroth book, and although I enjoyed looking at the photos and reading it, it's hard to comprehend if you're not a PT! I really needed someone to examine me fully and then SHOW ME STEP BY STEP exactly what I should be doing!

MissEmmyF
07-29-2009, 03:25 PM
You may want to check with the Scoliosis Rehab Center in Stevens Point, WI. The practice Schroth exclusively. Your health insurance may very well cover it. Ours did.

Yes, it totally depends on your health insurance, but it also totally depends on how the schroth facility submits their billing. I researched Scoliosis Rehab Center in WI before learning that Dr. Moramarco was way closer to me. They used "normal" physical therapy codes for their billing, so that was awesome because it was able to be covered by insurance. However, that facility was out of network for my insurance, so I would have had a $2,000 deductible to meet first before any coverage kicked in. Plus, I would have had travel and lodging costs.

Dr. Moramarco was also out of network for me (unfortunately no one would have been in network for me since I live in CT, and there are no Schroth practitioners in CT). The codes his facility uses are termed "back specific school" instead of normal physical therapy codes, so no insurance companies cover that particular code. Therefore, I just paid his normal hourly charge.

MissEmmyF
07-29-2009, 03:30 PM
Our insurance didn't cover Scoliosis Rehab in Stevens Point so we paid privately, but one woman who was there when we were just came for one week because her insurance would only pay that amount. She planned to come back the next year to learn more. Maybe you could go at least a week to learn basic principles, practice them, then go back if you can afford more at a later date. Private pay was a little less than ~$2500/week when we went. It was a great experience at Beth Janssen's clinic - that's why I'm going off to Germany in September to learn the skills myself...

That's good to know. Also, depending on where you go, you may not be required to go for the "recommended" amount of time. It's at least something to question.

After having my initial consultation, I told my practitioner that I felt I knew lots about my back already, that I was confident I'd catch on quickly, that I was in a tough financial situation, etc...so we agreed to do only 2 days of treatment...4 hours each day one-on-one. don't get me wrong, there was a lot to take in and cram in in those 2 days, but it was possible. and, 2 full weeks would have been a waste of money for me.

MissEmmyF
07-29-2009, 03:33 PM
also, I got a DVD of me doing the exercises to take home with me...this is extremely helpful.

ScoliosisGal
07-30-2009, 12:26 PM
Ok I've been hearing a lot about this Scroth method on here and I don't mean to sound negative but I doubt this thing actually works. Its only available in 2 places, one in Wisconsin and one near the bay area in California. But if it was as good as everyone claims, they would expand it to Los Angeles, NYC, or other major cities. I live in LA and am not willing to travel that far and pay $4000 for something that I don't even know works. They even told me that most insurance companies don't cover it because they say that you can go to any local PT. They told me you really have to fight to get your insurance to cover it. They would make more business if they expanded it to a major city, not some middle-of-nowhere place in Wisconsin. A lot of people aren't willing to travel. Plus you can't believe everything you read on here, you don't really know who is telling the truth and who isn't.

MissEmmyF
07-30-2009, 12:58 PM
Ok I've been hearing a lot about this Scroth method on here and I don't mean to sound negative but I doubt this thing actually works. Its only available in 2 places, one in Wisconsin and one near the bay area in California. But if it was as good as everyone claims, they would expand it to Los Angeles, NYC, or other major cities. I live in LA and am not willing to travel that far and pay $4000 for something that I don't even know works. They even told me that most insurance companies don't cover it because they say that you can go to any local PT. They told me you really have to fight to get your insurance to cover it. They would make more business if they expanded it to a major city, not some middle-of-nowhere place in Wisconsin. A lot of people aren't willing to travel. Plus you can't believe everything you read on here, you don't really know who is telling the truth and who isn't.

It's definitely available in more than 2 places. I know of at least 10 places in the United States alone. Also, I guess it depends on what your definition of "works" means. I'm not claiming that I've reduced my adult curves. All I've said is that it's a great exercise regimen for me that targets the imbalances in my muscles caused by my scoliosis (it has helped my pain tremendously and has also helped my posture a lot). Also, it didn't cost me anywhere close to $4,000. And lastly, I've gone to plenty of traditional PTs and didn't find them very helpful.

ScoliosisGal
07-30-2009, 01:14 PM
So are their any Schroth practitioners in LA? I'm willing to try it. There is zero information about where to find schroth practitioners online. You would think something that works so well would be more widely available.

MissEmmyF
07-30-2009, 01:33 PM
So are their any Schroth practitioners in LA? I'm willing to try it. There is zero information about where to find schroth practitioners online. You would think something that works so well would be more widely available.

No, unfortunately I don't think there are any in the LA. Here is a link that shows all the practitioners in the US and in other countries:
http://www.schroth-skoliosebehandlung.de/liste_therapeuten_eng.pdf

MissEmmyF
07-30-2009, 01:36 PM
I've actually spoken with someone on this forum who went to Beatriz Torres in Palo Alto, CA. If you're interested in speaking with her I can forward you her email address if I can find it...

ScoliosisGal
07-30-2009, 09:09 PM
I've actually spoken with someone on this forum who went to Beatriz Torres in Palo Alto, CA. If you're interested in speaking with her I can forward you her email address if I can find it...
Did this person have a good experience? For me the pain is pretty mild, I'm more interested in correcting my posture. One of my hips is higher than the other and I'm wondering if it can help with this.

MissEmmyF
07-31-2009, 10:40 AM
Did this person have a good experience? For me the pain is pretty mild, I'm more interested in correcting my posture. One of my hips is higher than the other and I'm wondering if it can help with this.

Yes, they did have a good experience. As for having one hip higher than the other and wondering if Schroth can "help" with this, that's a tough question for me to answer. You may be able to gain a better aesthetic look, but any good Schroth practitioner won't tell you that they can reduce adult curves (especially if you have wedging of your vertebrae that is causing one hip to be higher than the other). Their main goal in adults is to improve lung capacity, improve functioning, reduce pain, and improve posture.

Writer
07-31-2009, 01:44 PM
It's very common in scoliosis for one hip to be shifted laterally outward. This and general posture are some of the main things that Schroth therapy focuses on correcting.

Still Hoping
01-19-2011, 11:04 AM
[QUOTE=MissEmmyF;81403]Yes, it totally depends on your health insurance, but it also totally depends on how the schroth facility submits their billing. I researched Scoliosis Rehab Center in WI before learning that Dr. Moramarco was way closer to me. They used "normal" physical therapy codes for their billing, so that was awesome because it was able to be covered by insurance. However, that facility was out of network for my insurance, so I would have had a $2,000 deductible to meet first before any coverage kicked in. Plus, I would have had travel and lodging costs.


To MissEmmyF:
Thank you for your posts. They are really helpful. I am considering Schroth now for my daughter. I was wondering if you still do your Schroth exercises and how has that worked out for you long-term? How many times a week do you do them? Would you still recommend it? Did you go back in Aug. and learn new exercises? Did they help? I wonder if it might actually decrease her curves a little? My 14 yr. old's schedule is very heavy. If it only takes 30 min. 5 days a week that would be an improvement over doing the Clear Chair for 45 min. 1-2 times per day, which is what we are doing now. I have let her go down to once per day. Oh but it is such a battle!
Does any one else have any experience with Schroth Method or comments they have to make about Scoliosis Rehab in Steven's Point, WI? Thanks!