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Aussiemum
04-13-2008, 06:07 AM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
I got the dog!!!!!!!!!!!! After EVERYONE telling me NOT to get the dog - stupid, henceforth known as me - went out yesterday and got the dog.
Why??????? School holidays are here and after Elysia asking all her friends who could come over in the holidays NOBODY could! Her best friend was spending EVERY day of the holidays with her horse - (why wouldn't she invite Elysia along, beats me!) Other friend, going away, other friend was going to be busy (don't know doing what??). Poor kid, we live near the playing fields and every Saturday all you can hear is the cheering from the soccer mums and dads!

So..... Stupid went out and brought the pup, it's a female terrior, but the German Shepherd is obviously NOT a happy boy. I'm exhausted from spending all weekend with him, walking him, playing with, treats, attention attention attention! Tonight he was inside as he usually is but upstairs with hubbie while the little girl was down stairs with her mum (Elysia - who is in heaven and haven't seen her this happy in a long time) - Elysia took the little girl into our laundry while I brought the boy downstairs to have a sniff around before taking him back outside, (we have a huge undercover area which is all his with his bed and he sleeps inside at night next to our bed.)

Well he had a good sniff around especially where the new pups bed is, lifted his leg AND PEED ALL OVER MY CURTAINS!!!!!!!!! I was remarkably calm, I didn't scold him, just told him no and put him outside and proceeded to scrub everything clean. I'VE NOW MADE A ROD FOR MYBACK!!!!! What have I done!!!!! I'm on the dog forums reading like crazy about how to introduce a new pup, most people just tell me off, for heavens sake we're not the first family in the world to get a second dog!!!!! Okay - German Sheppard Killer and tiny little princess.

I just had to share this with you all as I know I provide a good laugh to everyone with my pathetic life!!!! And my stupidity!!!!!!

As hubbie and I stood at our window and looked out onto our front lawn, there lay Elysia on the grass with this little lady on her chest, happiest girl in the world..... I said to hubbie, "One very happy girl - one very stressed mother - one very jealous dog - one very stupid husband" - he started it all if you remember by giving into her when she woke up from surgery and saying okay to the request for the dog.

Oh well, I just look at myself in the mirror and shake my head. I hope I can get this worked out so I don't have to spend the next 12 years playing mediator between these two dogs.

Note: - Elysia wouldn't even try to bend before this - 9 weeks post op - guess who's bending and moving about like she never had surgery!!!!!!! Pets as therapy!

Sending out cyber love to everyone
Del
xx

Susie*Bee
04-13-2008, 07:56 AM
Del-- well at least Elysia is happy! It could be worse! And seeing her happy makes you and your hubby feel better. You'll get through this ok. :eek: I'll be thinking about you as you struggle to get into a routine/system that involves both doggies... I'm sure your german shepherd was just marking his territory with the curtain fiasco--since there's a "threat" he's found from other doggy smells... so maybe a real meeting needs to take place, with both dogs on leashes. Maybe then he'd see she's no real threat! ;) I don't know that much about it though. Hope you get some good advice!

What kind of terrier? My daughter and her husband recently got a Welsh terrier-- he's awfully cute. :)

ElleBelleCurvz
04-13-2008, 11:21 AM
:rolleyes: I'm sorry but that's hilarious. I saw it on the main page and I literally smacked myself in the forhead. As someone who went through getting a new second dog. Let me tell you it's bad. It's still a huge power struggle. We had the same thing, our big boy dog tried to take over (he was always destructive) But guess who is in charge now? The newer dog. As I'm typing this our boy dog is whining because he feels left out like always. It's really hard for the first "born" to get used to a second dog but it takes time. Hold on to your hat, and don't lose it (yet) :) It'll work out.

christine2
04-13-2008, 11:24 AM
Dear Aussiemom

Is the Shep aggressive towards other dogs? I just lost my male after 14 yrs, I have never introduced him to a small pup but have brought other dogs in to the house. The prob with a small pup is a lot of damage can be done fast!! Perhaps you should get the shep a basket muzzle (less confining than cloth muzzles) for introduction purposes. You will have to get him used to it 1st. You can actually cut the front of the muzzle out so you can give him treats with it on and get him used to wearing it. Then when he stops fighting it start your intros.

Take them for a walk together, keep both on leash for control, then gradually increase time together. Make sure there are no "triggers" around like food or favorite toys. My shep ate in a utily room for all of his life to avoid trouble with my other dogs. He was a all german high caliber dog that I needed to be carefull with. Feel free to PM me. I am a trainer.

spine'[chicka]
04-13-2008, 01:00 PM
Like someone said previously, at least she is happy. And, puppies are fun to have! (not like I would know, my parents [ehemm, dad] won't let me have one) Maybe you could do a little bit of convincing? :) Just kidding.

cherylplinder
04-14-2008, 01:06 AM
I read that if you give them treats whenever they are together, they begin associating pleasure with the other animal. I did that with our new dog and kitten. The kitten was there first. Every time we got them together in the same room, I gave them treats for a couple of minutes.
I your old dog is jealous, ignore him if he starts acting out against the puppy. I mean cease enjoyable attention by saying "ignore".
That is the extent of my knowledge. I love that show on Pet Planet called It's Me or the Dog. They have a lot of great tips on there, and I wonder if they have a website.

HUgs
Cheryl

rtremb
04-14-2008, 01:46 AM
Oh Del. Hope it all works out okay.

I find it is so hard saying no to Esme these days. I feel like she has so much to put up with that denying her things seems unfair. I understand why you caved in and got the new dog.

Dogs are pack animals descended from wolves so logically the two dogs should get along together eventually. I'd introduce them slowly on leash at a distance preferrably each tied to a separate tree or something solid - not held by humans who could get hurt if the dogs get too excited.

If the german shepherd is well trained and obeys verbal commands things should work out okay in the end.

You probably know this already - the peeing on the curtains is just the German Shepherd marking his territory. Have you read the book or seen the movie "Never Cry Wolf" by Canadian Farley Mowat? This shows the wolves marking their territory by peeing in the area around their den. This tells other wolves to stay away this is their territory. Anyway, the male character in the movie pees around his observation camp to keep the wolves out of his area. I guess eventually the new dog will pee on what it considers to be its territory too - just hope it isn't inside your house!!

Good luck. Please keep us posted.
Ruth

txmarinemom
04-14-2008, 05:04 PM
Sorry, Del ... but ...

Bahaha ... !

On the upside, if it's a good dog, terriers live a long time ... on the downside, if not, terriers live a long time ...

cameol998
04-14-2008, 10:15 PM
She deserves a puppy after that surgery. I would have done the same thing. I dont have any advice on introducing a new puppy to the old one. I am doing the same thing myself. I have two golden retrievers and stupid me, fell in love with a bischon/poodle. Had to have it.( I think its an empty nest thing.) The goldens are 5 year old sisters from the same litter. One of them(Tessa) is great with the new puppy, but, the other golden(Taffy) is very angry. I have to keep her away from the puppy. I never expected her to behave like this. We really thought she would be great with a puppy. Shes the playful one. Boy were we wrong!!

Good luck
cindy

txmarinemom
04-14-2008, 11:47 PM
She deserves a puppy after that surgery.

What??? ...

Has anyone thought far enough ahead to consider what happens if these older dogs (previously pretty happy with their previous lives, it seems) don't *ever* learn to like - or even tolerate - the newcomers?

It's extremely difficult to introduce a new puppy under the best planning, and unfortunately, most people don't plan - they just assume "Aw, Spot will have a new friend!". (Spot didn't ask for a new friend, so Spot really can't be blamed for weird behavior at the forced "friendship" - which involves lots of sharp puppy teeth - and the previously friendly voiced family yelling at Spot for self-defense and trying to claim his/her territory.)

This is actually a serious topic because sadly, it's most often the cute new dog who gets to stick around when things go south.

Pam

Aussiemum
04-15-2008, 12:51 AM
O Oh!!!! Del Strikes again with another controversial topic!!!!

Nobody's going South in this family - so whilst I understand many families who can't hack it (I HOPE I can hack it) I did try and think it through.

We have a large backyard and pergola area for Jaffa. We have a seperate side fenced area of the house with access, soon to be completed, doggie door into the laundry area for puppy, once she's older. They will NEVER be left alone together. For the time being, she's inside and my floors have never been washed more in their lives. Trying to paper train her along with regular trips to the FRONT of the house! So far no luck with paper, lots of misshaps, but some success in taking her out after meals, naps etc.

Jaffa has had two "visits" with her today while on his lead and she on hers and he's improving every day, she is as well, she even tried to lick his face. Today he even laid himself down at her level so he could get a good look. When we go out we leave the backdoor open a little with the security screen door still closed for the two of them to try to "safely" get to sniff and know each other. Lots of praise for the big boy and lots of treats. Everytime he's a good boy around the pup, we then take him away afterwards and play his favourite game, so he'll associate pup with "I get to play stick afterwards".

I'm going very slowly and using every trick on the net to see what works best. He's always been a lovely dog, always wants to be friends with other dogs, but they are always so aggressive towards him, I think he doesn't know how to go about making friends slowly, he just charges right up and says "want to play" and they tell him to "take a hike"

Just thought I'd post this in case anyone was having a heart attack!!!

Cheers
Barking Mad Del

rtremb
04-15-2008, 02:20 AM
Del:
Sounds like you are coping splendidly as usual.......
Ruth

Susie*Bee
04-15-2008, 08:31 AM
Ditto what Ruth said... and it sounds like you have a very workable plan. It also, unfortunately, sounds like a fair amount of extra work, but will undoubtedly pay off in the long run--


nice doggies + happy girl = content mama

In the meantime, hang in there! You're doing great! ;)

emma12
04-15-2008, 08:45 AM
I know what you were going through, my daughter was begging for a bird just before her surgery. I almost caved in, then suddenly, she decided she didn't really want one! Just as I was ready to go buy it for her--whew, I didn't know how it would work with our cat and 2 dogs, so I'm lucky she changed her mind. With everything they go through, you want to do anything for them to make things easier and happier for them.

My suggestion is to try a crate for the new puppy--we had no problem introducing the new puppy to the first dog (but the older dog was only 1 at the time, so still a "pup" herself). The crate may seem cruel to some, but, the puppy really began to "love" it, and it gave him a safe place to retreat to. Also, really helps with housetraining, as they tend to not want to mess in their "bed". And, you can trust that nothing will happen to the new puppy when you are not around. The older dog will be able to sniff around...without being able to "sink his teeth in". They can get used to each other without being able to hurt each other. Gradually, I think they'll become good friends!! (hopefully) Good luck with whatever you work out, puppies certainly add new challenges to the daily routines!

christine2
04-15-2008, 01:38 PM
Aussiemom

It sounds as though you are making progress. Just keep plugging along and you will look back at this time and not even remember the work. I remember when we introduced our 10 mos old setter to our G Shep (8yrs) I thought he was going to kill her. It worked out great. They will develop a sibling relationship, you just need to get through the establishment of peaking order.

We picked up our newest pet, a Brittany pup on the way back from a Docs appt in Montreal, August of 2007. That pup is so fun and we completley enjoy her company!! I always have 3 to 4 dogs in my home at once. We love our dogs!!

Aussiemum
04-15-2008, 11:21 PM
thanks everyone for your words of advice!!!! I haven't needed you yet Christine but I might!

Yes Emma, we are going to get a crate, just have to look around for the right one! Also we HAVE A BIRD as well!!! It's a cockatiel and it's cage sits right next to Jaffa's (German Shepherds) daytime bed!!! They are fantastic birds and she comes out of her cage and sits with me on my chest and lets me scratch her head and beak, she loves it!!!!! Somewhere on here is my story of how the bird got out and was rescued by the German Shepherd, in it's mouth!!!!

Little Dolce slept in Elysia's bedroom last night in her basket next to her bed, no mess, nothing (I had laid a big plastic sheet on the floor to protect the carpet just in case) - I got up at 6.00, took her outside, she went to the loo, brought her back in, put her in bed with Elysia and the two of them got up at 10.00am!!!! (Elysia's on school holidays)

Word of warning - if your house proud crazy, this is NOT the lifestyle for you. While the animals don't live inside all day (puppy is at the moment) they do come in and they do make mess with muddy paws or dog hair and destroy things - oh well, that's life!!! Fun all the way!!! At least the new pup is not going to be a shedder like the GS - oh boy, dog hair to the max!!!
And to think she wanted a Pomeranian - I'd be coughing up fur balls for sure! LOL

Oh - and Pam is correct, it's not a light hearted decision to make!!! It's a lifetime committment and needs careful thought beforehand. It's hardwork during the adjusment period with or without another dog!

1 Hubbie - 2 kids - 2 dogs - 1 bird - 1 fish (mine!!!!) Oh and I think Ratoulle lives in the roof!!!!

I love animals!!! To the point of stupidity - I love Mice and one day at work the boys called me out into the factory where they had cornerd a young rat!!! Wild rat!!!! They thought I'd freak!!!!

The poor thing was sitting in the corner scared out of it's wits - Well what does Del do?? I tell the boys to pick it up and take it outside, no takers???? While the boys are screaming Del picks up rat and chases boys with it while they're all screaming and yelling for me to put it down. I walk outside with shaking rat and go to put the poor thing down and it turns around AND BITES ME!!!!!! It was my birthday that day - 45 brainless years old! and guess what I got for my birthday? A TETNUS SHOT and a scar to this day. I don't know what possessed me!!!! I still shake my head at my stupidity that day - I guess I wanted to show the pussy men what a real women does!!! To this day it brings tears of laughter to them all!!! Ahhh Del, always good for a laugh!

Must run!
Del
xx

Snoopy
04-16-2008, 07:27 AM
Del,

Can I move my kids in with you? My youngest, who just turned 15, had begged, and begged for a dog. I held my ground and said NO repeatedly. She promised she would take care of him--feed him, walk him everyday, etc. I knew she wouldn't. Finally after 4 years of begging, I gave in and we got a puppy one year ago today. Why did I give in? We had to have our 12 y.o. cat put to sleep and I missed having a furry pet in the house. Needless to say, I am his primary care giver. It is a battle to get Tracy to walk Chance even 3 times per week. I have to remind her daily to feed him and give him fresh water.

Guess what, now both girls are begging for another dog!!!!! :eek: I have said NO repeatedly and I hope I can stand my ground this time. With Chance, I was ready for the responsibility of a dog, but I'm not taking on another dog. I have a husband, 2 teenagers, a 58 gallon fish tank (mine), a turtle, 2 parakeets and of course a dog. With summer just around the corner, we'll have a small pool set up on our front porch full of tadpoles, frogs, and salimanders (sp?) and any other critters the girls drag home from the mountains.

NO MORE PETS. Can I just move them in with you so they have 2 dogs and several other pets? :D Bless you for taking on a challenge I'm not willing to take on at this time.

Mary Lou

P.S. I loved your rat story!!!!

scoliboymom
04-16-2008, 02:34 PM
Hi Del
We too got a new puppy when Patrick was just 6 weeks post op. She is our second dog (both Border Collies) and the two have developed a special bond. The pup thought from day one that the older one was mom and would become very submissive around her. Needless to say it wasn't long before new pup was curling up with old pup to sleep. Dogs have very adept ways with body language of telling each other when enough is enough, a snappy little growl and new pup would back off submissively and leave old dog alone.
The really good thing was the new pup forced Patrick to go on daily walks which he still does to this day, now with both dogs.
Good luck, I think in time it will all work out well for both dogs.
Ramona

emma12
04-17-2008, 11:30 AM
Reading your stories sounds kind of like my life -- we have 2 dogs, 1 cat, 1 leopard gecko, and fish. As I said, my daughter tried to talk me into the bird, but, I guess I held my ground long enough. She had talked us into the gecko about 2 years ago, and yes, I am the one who takes care of everything. For awhile last year, our oldest daughter also moved back in with us (had just graduated from college), along with her 2 cats (which I don't think had ever seen a dog before, lol), so that was lots of fun, our dogs sure loved chasing them around. Our cat is used to them, and just strolls around everywhere, but with those 2, the biggest dog (a german shorthair pointer), was in for the chase! She seemed to have a sense if those cats were any where in the vicinity, and immediately chased them back to "the cat room". So, they pretty much were confined by the dog to one room in the house. Luckily, they all moved into a new apartment after about 6 months (it was a little too much for me--we were coughing up fur balls!!!!)

So, hope things keep going well. Sounds like you've got things under control--you gotta love your pets to keep bringing all the extra work onto yourself!

cameol998
04-17-2008, 10:06 PM
Hi Del,
I wrote earlier about my 2 goldens and my new bischon/poodle. Well, I just have to tell you. Things are going great. Both dogs seem to take turns playing with the newcomer. I really thought Taffy was never going to accept( Beazley) but she really is ok. They just needed to establish their own ground rules amongst themselves. Dogs don't hold grudges. Not that I have ever seen anyway. I hope things are going well for you.

Cindy

rita.jones56
04-22-2008, 02:43 PM
My friend just got a dog as well and he is so happy he did. He was thinking it over for a long time before finally going. He is more than capable of taking care of him and it takes his mind off of his condition. I am not a big fan of having pets myself.