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LindaRacine
07-18-2012, 12:28 PM
Hi...

We frequently hear from people who have small scoliosis curves, but who complain of a lot of pain. For those people, a new Phase 3 trial might be of interest. The trial is being undertaken by Spinal Restoration, using their Biostat System. According to their website, a lot of back pain patients can't be accurately diagnosed using neurologic evaluation and imaging studies. That is, these patient's spines look and act normal, with the exception that they have pain. They believe that applying their fibrin sealant to a suspected disc can alleviate pain in these patients, by sealing disc disruptions, thus reducing inflammation.

The clinical trial is showing as not recruiting for some reason, but there are 20 centers around the U.S. that are participating, so you might want to contact one of them.

You can read about the trial here (http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01011816?term=biostat&rank=1).

Regards,
Linda

jrnyc
07-18-2012, 02:54 PM
Linda, if the tx is for discs....why does the size of the curve(s) matter.....???
i don't understand....

jess

rohrer01
07-18-2012, 04:27 PM
Awesome! Enough of us have "complained" that people are actually starting to listen!

rohrer01
07-18-2012, 05:34 PM
When I looked over the study criteria, it said nothing about scoliosis at all. They are looking for people with low back pain associated with a disc that don't have significant bulging, rupture, or shrinkage of the disc and without stenosis that aren't helped by epidural injections of steroids. Now I'm bummed.

jrnyc
07-18-2012, 06:25 PM
it sounds like they want people who have pain that seems like disc pain but
that doesn't show up as anything on radiology evaluations....

jess

rohrer01
07-18-2012, 10:46 PM
it sounds like they want people who have pain that seems like disc pain but
that doesn't show up as anything on radiology evaluations....

jess

Yep, our cries for help go unheard.

LindaRacine
07-19-2012, 10:10 PM
It has nothing to do with scoliosis. I posted it because we've heard from several people who claim to have a lot of pain, but have very small curves. In those cases, I seriously doubt that scoliosis has anything to do with the pain. In fact, the scoliosis might be because of the pain. What they're saying is that there are people out there who, up until now, seemingly have no apparent reason for pain. They believe they've found a potential reason.

--Linda

Pooka1
07-20-2012, 07:44 AM
I posted something from Dr. Hey about how he says small curves with trunk shifts can be painful. Maybe these folks all have trunk shifts?

LindaRacine
07-20-2012, 11:38 AM
I think I'm probably not making myself clear. The referenced treatment is NOT specifically for scoliosis patients. They are talking about patients who have pain, but have no clinical or radiological explanation for that pain. Because we have several members who have very small curves and a lot of pain, I thought this might be of interest to them, because a small scoliosis curve wouldn't typically be the cause of their pain.

--Linda

titaniumed
07-20-2012, 08:23 PM
Diagnosis of symptomatic lumbar (L1-L2 - L5-S1) internal disc disruption (IDD), which requires confirmation of discogenic pain at one or two contiguous levels through positive provocation discography performed between 18 months and 2 weeks prior to the study procedure using pressure manometry and identification of an adjacent nonpainful disc.


This sounds like this is a discogram?

I thought that these were being phased out due to long term disc damage? Hmmm....

I guess non-scolis are being submitted to the tortures that we have to be submitted to..... At least its not the “Algerian Hook”.

I wish they wouldn’t use the word “sealant”. It has an industrial sound to it. Use another name.

“Fix a flat” is a sealant....(smiley face)

Ed

jrnyc
07-20-2012, 09:17 PM
i have read that discograms....discography...is very painful....
i have DDD that shows up in all radiology i have had done...
but if i needed a discogram to prove i had bad discs...i would skip it...
i do not understand any "profession" that proclaims to "do no harm"....
and then does harm....

jess

titaniumed
07-20-2012, 09:30 PM
If its obvious that you need to be fused all the way down, you can skip it.

Its a method of finding the pain source.

Ed

LindaRacine
07-20-2012, 09:45 PM
Hi Ed...

There are a lot fewer discograms done these days than there were 2 years ago, but it's still a helpful procedure in instances where patients describe pain, but where there aren't any neurologic or radiographic reasons for the pain. In those cases, I think some surgeons feel it's better to risk the discogram than to fuse a level that appears to be healthy.

--Linda

rohrer01
07-20-2012, 11:55 PM
I think I'm probably not making myself clear. The referenced treatment is NOT specifically for scoliosis patients. They are talking about patients who have pain, but have no clinical or radiological explanation for that pain. Because we have several members who have very small curves and a lot of pain, I thought this might be of interest to them, because a small scoliosis curve wouldn't typically be the cause of their pain.

--Linda

Thank you for your clarification. The title of the thread was a little misleading is all. It is specifically for people with low back pain of unknown origin.

rohrer01
07-21-2012, 12:00 AM
Hi Ed...

There are a lot fewer discograms done these days than there were 2 years ago, but it's still a helpful procedure in instances where patients describe pain, but where there aren't any neurologic or radiographic reasons for the pain. In those cases, I think some surgeons feel it's better to risk the discogram than to fuse a level that appears to be healthy.

--Linda

I've read about this procedure and I'd have to be in a heck of a LOT of pain to subject myself to it. I can't imagine having that much pain with no noticeable pathology and to risk causing pathology trying to find it????

I will admit that I have way more lumbar pain than I should for the pathology that I have. I still wouldn't consider this. I'd rather take a pain pill.

jrnyc
07-21-2012, 09:07 AM
i was just commenting on the procedure...
i know i do not need a discogram....
i was saying i would never subject myself to one, even if
a doctor told me i needed to...
i do not believe in procedures that can cause more harm than good...

jess