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figgy
04-20-2012, 07:56 PM
Hello,

just wanted to share my story. at 18 i was diagnosed with 60* thoracic scoliosis. i had experienced back pain since i was 12 or 13, but being from a hearty stock irish family, was always told to stop moaning and stand up straight. my parents saw me in a bikini on holiday when i was 18 and were alarmed at my shape. after my x-ray i was given 2 options - surgery or to "suck it up". in my mind surgery was not an answer and at that point the pain had been going on for so long that i had got used to it. however at the age of 21 i started a job which required alot of heavy lifting and my pain levels went through the roof - about a 7 or 8 every day. the doctor suggested ibuprofen...my rotation had worsened to the point where my ribs were bruised from rubbing against my pelvic bone.

i moved from ireland to new zealand when i was 22 and discovered Bowen therapy. After 1 session of Bowen I was pain free. And have been ever since. I am now 23. I have had only 3 Bowen sessions. It has changed my life in unprecedented ways. It doesnt work for everyone, everyone is different, but if my results are anything to go by, it is a therapy well worth trying. 12961297

LindaRacine
04-20-2012, 08:35 PM
Hi Figgy...

I love posts like this. Thanks very much. We see patients like you from time-to-time, but it's rare that someone like yourself actually comes to the forums.

I seriously doubt that the therapy you're doing will ever correct your curve, but it doesn't matter if you're pain free and don't care about the assymetry. Hope it keeps working!

By the way, it would be great, if you have your original xrays and any recent ones, to post them online.

Regards,
Linda

Pooka1
04-20-2012, 09:44 PM
Hey Figgy,

Very good that you were able to address the pain. PT might be better than even surgery for certain patients for pain relief.

I echo Linda in hoping you post your radiographs. It looks like you may not have progressed much in the last 5 years even with a 60* curve. We have a few other folks her who were above 50* and hung there, not progressing, against the paradigm. That's why I think it might be interesting if you haven't progressed either.

Thanks for posting.

Pooka1
04-20-2012, 09:46 PM
By the way, who exactly diagnosed you with a 60* thoracic scoliosis? Was it an orthopedic surgeon or was it something else?

figgy
04-21-2012, 06:44 PM
i was diagnosed by an orthopedic surgeon. at the time he told me that if my curve progressed surgery would have to happen. i go home again in december and can hopefully get another x-ray to check if it has progressed. of course this type of therapy cant "cure" the curvature but my rotation has definately improved as has my posture. so heres hoping that i havent progressed.

just wondering if anyone else has tried bowen or intends to?

Pooka1
04-21-2012, 06:46 PM
i was diagnosed by an orthopedic surgeon. at the time he told me that if my curve progressed surgery would have to happen. i go home again in december and can hopefully get another x-ray to check if it has progressed. of course this type of therapy cant "cure" the curvature but my rotation has definately improved as has my posture. so heres hoping that i havent progressed.

just wondering if anyone else has tried bowen or intends to?

I think you will find testimonials of PT holding curves against progression at least in the short term. And of course you have to hope you don't get so ill that you can't keep up the PT.

figgy
04-21-2012, 07:04 PM
Im not sure exactly what PT is? is it an american term for physiotherpapy, or a broad term for everything from massage to rolfing etc? anyway, bowen therapy is a form of myofascial release, but very very gentle and slow and takes you to a deep state of relaxation. it is not deep tissue and it causes no pain. in fact after my first session i felt a bit like id been conned, because it felt so light. i cant imagine there are many contraindications to this type of therapy compared to the deeper fascial manipulations like rolfing.

Pooka1
04-21-2012, 07:27 PM
Im not sure exactly what PT is? is it an american term for physiotherpapy, or a broad term for everything from massage to rolfing etc? anyway, bowen therapy is a form of myofascial release, but very very gentle and slow and takes you to a deep state of relaxation. it is not deep tissue and it causes no pain. in fact after my first session i felt a bit like id been conned, because it felt so light. i cant imagine there are many contraindications to this type of therapy compared to the deeper fascial manipulations like rolfing.

Yes PT is physiotherapy. But I see Bowen is massage.

How is light massage supposed to help people with large curves?

Bowen seems to be a type of chiro and there are several hits on Quackwatch:

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http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/treatmentindex.html

Neuro-Structural Integration Technique (Bowen Therapy)

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http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecorg.html

Questionable "Research" Entities

Bowen Research & Training Institute

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http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/dictionary/mdb.html

Bowen Technique (Bowen therapeutic technique, Bowen Therapy): Form of bodywork and vibrational healing (see "vibrational medicine") originated by Australian engineer Tom Bowen (d. 1982) in the early 1950s, developed by Oswald Rentsch (an osteopath) and Elaine Rentsch (who holds a diploma in Bach flower therapy) in Australia, and introduced in the United States in 1990. Its theory posits chi ("universal life energy") and human "energy vortexes." ("Bowen System" and "Bowen Technique" may be synonymous.)

figgy
04-21-2012, 08:58 PM
I'm not entirely sure how it works - its not chiro, but a form of remedial massage. all I know is that before I was in significant pain on a daily basis and now I am in no pain regardless of my physical activities. My Bowen therapist was also a qualified physiotherapist and had a tremendous knowledge of anatomy and scoliosis.

I classify my results from 1 hour long session of this therapy as nothing short of a miracle.

I recommend an open mind.

Pooka1
04-21-2012, 09:03 PM
I'm not entirely sure how it works - its not chiro, but a form of remedial massage. all I know is that before I was in significant pain on a daily basis and now I am in no pain regardless of my physical activities. My Bowen therapist was also a qualified physiotherapist and had a tremendous knowledge of anatomy and scoliosis.

I classify my results from 1 hour long session of this therapy as nothing short of a miracle.

I recommend an open mind.

Well, you are pain free now and I certainly wouldn't want to argue with that. :-)

mariaf
04-22-2012, 11:51 AM
I think that is the key, Sharon. I don't believe PT, massage or similar treatment will correct a large curve, but I do believe (as we see proof here) that it is possible it can relieve pain.

You make a very good point, however, about folks needing to be physically able to continue the program (i.e., not becoming ill).

Pooka1
04-22-2012, 12:08 PM
Well I think she can continue this even when she is ill because it is just light massage. I had assumed it was PT which requires her to do something other than lie there on a table. So hopefully she will have uninterrupted pain relief even when sick.

Probably any massage will help muscle pain, no need to layer on "energy vortexes" and chi (see below). I doubt it can possibly help nerve pain which we can guess she doesn't have because the massage takes away the pain. But because light massage has no hope of stopping progression, if her curve progresses, it may stop working for pain.

Energy vortexes is clearly nonsense and Chi is listed in the periodic table of irrational nonsense (Element 41, Symbol "QI", column 5, row 5 in the Credulous block)...

http://mockreligion.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/the-periodic-table-of-irrational-nonsense.png

figgy
04-23-2012, 12:25 AM
I have never heard of any of that energy vortex stuff! I think if i had i would have been very skeptical indeed. No, my therapist took a very anatomical view of the whole thing and explained a little about how he would manipulate the fascia surrounding my muscles to encourage them to loosen and strengthen.

Also, I should have made this clear - I have had 3 sessions of bowen, but the second 2 were just because I like it, for relaxation. the differences that were implemented after the first session 18 months ago have remained without me needing to have a repeat session. Can i just say that again - I had a 1 hour session of bowen a year and a half ago, and the changes that occurred within my body are still in place.

Pooka1
04-23-2012, 06:27 AM
I have never heard of any of that energy vortex stuff! I think if i had i would have been very skeptical indeed. No, my therapist took a very anatomical view of the whole thing and explained a little about how he would manipulate the fascia surrounding my muscles to encourage them to loosen and strengthen.

Also, I should have made this clear - I have had 3 sessions of bowen, but the second 2 were just because I like it, for relaxation. the differences that were implemented after the first session 18 months ago have remained without me needing to have a repeat session. Can i just say that again - I had a 1 hour session of bowen a year and a half ago, and the changes that occurred within my body are still in place.

Do you have a long curve with almost no rotation?

Have they confirmed your curve is structural?

TAMZTOM
04-23-2012, 08:58 AM
Hello,

just wanted to share my story. at 18 i was diagnosed with 60* thoracic scoliosis. i had experienced back pain since i was 12 or 13, but being from a hearty stock irish family, was always told to stop moaning and stand up straight. my parents saw me in a bikini on holiday when i was 18 and were alarmed at my shape. after my x-ray i was given 2 options - surgery or to "suck it up". in my mind surgery was not an answer and at that point the pain had been going on for so long that i had got used to it. however at the age of 21 i started a job which required alot of heavy lifting and my pain levels went through the roof - about a 7 or 8 every day. the doctor suggested ibuprofen...my rotation had worsened to the point where my ribs were bruised from rubbing against my pelvic bone.

i moved from ireland to new zealand when i was 22 and discovered Bowen therapy. After 1 session of Bowen I was pain free. And have been ever since. I am now 23. I have had only 3 Bowen sessions. It has changed my life in unprecedented ways. It doesnt work for everyone, everyone is different, but if my results are anything to go by, it is a therapy well worth trying. 12961297

Hi Figgy
Thanks for the information. My 10 yr old has scoliosis, exercising since diagnosis has improved the condition.
Details on my daughter here: http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showthread.php?12755-Correcting-scoliosis-Exercise-brace-mentality
We had one month of intensive Schroth last July; during the last half hour every day, she had a light massage, so light, she'd fall asleep. Every day! Loved it.
I've never heard of Bowen before but will look it up today. Martha Hawes also promotes the use of massage and other manipulative techniques--she corrected her curves as an adult.
Interesting that you have observed a significant improvement in your rotation. Do you have numbers on the improvement? It'll also be interesting to hear if that has had an effect on your curvature; releasing tension that caused rotation COULD result in lasting curve correction. Simple mechanics. I don't know why others are denying this possibility; seems obvious to me. E.g., Forest Gump took off his calipers and RAN.
Regards
Tom

figgy
04-23-2012, 06:08 PM
Do you have a long curve with almost no rotation?

Have they confirmed your curve is structural?

The curve is definately structural, the rib hump is significant. its actually quite a short curve, from what I recall something like T3-T7. And the rotation was
quite large, like i said before, to the point where my lower left ribs were touching my hip bones. now, although the rotation is alot less significant (or seems that way to me) it is still noticable from the front.

Pooka1
04-23-2012, 06:14 PM
The curve is definately structural, the rib hump is significant. its actually quite a short curve, from what I recall something like T3-T7. And the rotation was
quite large, like i said before, to the point where my lower left ribs were touching my hip bones. now, although the rotation is alot less significant (or seems that way to me) it is still noticable from the front.

Okay that's pretty interesting.

Can I ask you what you think happened during a light massage that helped you? Do you think they actually moved your vertebra? Or did they just work with fascia and muscles? Do you have before and after radiographs?

figgy
04-23-2012, 06:26 PM
Hi Figgy
Thanks for the information. My 10 yr old has scoliosis, exercising since diagnosis has improved the condition.
Details on my daughter here: http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showthread.php?12755-Correcting-scoliosis-Exercise-brace-mentality
We had one month of intensive Schroth last July; during the last half hour every day, she had a light massage, so light, she'd fall asleep. Every day! Loved it.
I've never heard of Bowen before but will look it up today. Martha Hawes also promotes the use of massage and other manipulative techniques--she corrected her curves as an adult.
Interesting that you have observed a significant improvement in your rotation. Do you have numbers on the improvement? It'll also be interesting to hear if that has had an effect on your curvature; releasing tension that caused rotation COULD result in lasting curve correction. Simple mechanics. I don't know why others are denying this possibility; seems obvious to me. E.g., Forest Gump took off his calipers and RAN.
Regards
Tom

I looked at your thread. Saw that you are from Wales, I am Northern Irish and I suspect that we may have had similar exasperating experiences when it comes to dealing with the NHS. (which I won't go into now -rant territory!) I now live in Australia and the differences in attitude towards scoliosis and different kinds of therapies is astounding. I think with Bowen, the key is to finding a really good, experienced knowledgeable therapist. I lucked out, and I was so inspired by my therapist (because he changed my life in an hour) that I am now studying remedial massage and I intend to study Bowen after I qualify. I wont know if my curve has actually improved until i go back home in december but regardless of the numbers I am pain-free, more positive and optimistic and motivated. Good luck to Tamzin :)

figgy
04-23-2012, 06:35 PM
Okay that's pretty interesting.

Can I ask you what you think happened during a light massage that helped you? Do you think they actually moved your vertebra? Or did they just work with fascia and muscles? Do you have before and after radiographs?

Its connective tissue work - so just dealing with fascia. It feels quite bizarre at first - he pulls the fascia in a certain direction and then stops for 2 minutes and so on and so forth. I admit, that when I was getting it done I was quite disappointed, I like to feel during a massage the direct results. And for about 10 days after the therapy I was quite achy in between my shoulder blades and I was thinking "What have I done??" But after that I was standing in work, and usually if I started at 8am, the pain would usually kick in at around 9 or 10, and it was 3pm and it suddenly struck me that it was completely gone. And it has been ever since. I dont have my x ray. (I only have had one) hopefully I can get another one when I return to Northern Ireland in december.

Pooka1
04-23-2012, 06:47 PM
Its connective tissue work - so just dealing with fascia. It feels quite bizarre at first - he pulls the fascia in a certain direction and then stops for 2 minutes and so on and so forth. I admit, that when I was getting it done I was quite disappointed, I like to feel during a massage the direct results. And for about 10 days after the therapy I was quite achy in between my shoulder blades and I was thinking "What have I done??" But after that I was standing in work, and usually if I started at 8am, the pain would usually kick in at around 9 or 10, and it was 3pm and it suddenly struck me that it was completely gone. And it has been ever since. I dont have my x ray. (I only have had one) hopefully I can get another one when I return to Northern Ireland in december.

This description reminds me of what happens when the vet does chiro on my horse except it is instant relief in his case. What must be happening with my horse, and what I am guessing is happening to you is that there was a nerve that gets impinged when your muscles tire. Somehow the pulling frees the nerve from impingement. On my horse, where there was a clear and patent pain response, there was none immediately after the vet did the movement. I call it voodoo chiro but it must be freeing a nerve or otherwise blocking a pain response.

I looked at your photos and the second one does look like a high and tight T curve. We have someone here with a similar curve. Maybe she has something to add. She has chronic pain. Maybe she should try this.

This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for posting.

TAMZTOM
04-23-2012, 06:49 PM
...similar exasperating experiences when it comes to dealing with the NHS.

Yeah, from day one! We've been private and NHS, similar incompetence and negligence. Hey, we both sucked it up and did our own thing. Nice one. (PS: I live in Wales, grew up in Scotland...across the water from you.)


I am now studying remedial massage and I intend to study Bowen after I qualify. I wont know if my curve has actually improved until i go back home in december but regardless of the numbers I am pain-free, more positive and optimistic and motivated. Good luck to Tamzin :)
Excellent. Inspiring. We haven't stopped researching and working with Tamzin for almost 11 months now, but the one thing I haven't continued or even properly researched is massage (deep, light, anything...). I'll get there. (My wife and I have been doing our own 'massage', pretty much dictated by what Tamzin tells us to do.) On this front, we need help.

Very pleased for you. Saw your photo, amazing...60 degree curve! No sweat. Keep it up.

TAMZTOM
04-23-2012, 07:27 PM
...how he would manipulate the fascia surrounding my muscles to encourage them to loosen and strengthen.

I asked questions repeatedly (months ago) on a few threads about how to manipulate the thoracolumbar fascia (lower right lumbar concavity), but the Q fell on deaf ears. Crucial. We've succeed in 'growing' the attached muscles and have achieved significant restoration of the T-fascia, but still much work to be done. I read a while back about how deep tissue massage and other manipulative techniques can assist.
You are the FIRST other poster I've heard even mention "fascia". Feed us information!

Cheers
Tom

Pooka1
04-23-2012, 08:27 PM
I asked questions repeatedly (months ago) on a few threads about how to manipulate the thoracolumbar fascia (lower right lumbar concavity), but the Q fell on deaf ears. Crucial. We've succeed in 'growing' the attached muscles and have achieved significant restoration of the T-fascia, but still much work to be done. I read a while back about how deep tissue massage and other manipulative techniques can assist.
You are the FIRST other poster I've heard even mention "fascia". Feed us information!

Cheers
Tom

Tom,

The other bunnies and I want you to know we don't know a damn thing about fascia. Otherwise we would have responded. :-)

Love,
Hortense Q. Quackenbush
Member-At-Large
Forest Bracing Society

figgy
04-23-2012, 09:12 PM
I asked questions repeatedly (months ago) on a few threads about how to manipulate the thoracolumbar fascia (lower right lumbar concavity), but the Q fell on deaf ears. Crucial. We've succeed in 'growing' the attached muscles and have achieved significant restoration of the T-fascia, but still much work to be done. I read a while back about how deep tissue massage and other manipulative techniques can assist.
You are the FIRST other poster I've heard even mention "fascia". Feed us information!

Cheers
Tom

Bowen is a form of myofascial release. so in my case the therapist would pull gently on my left side to encourage the derotation and then stop for 2 minutes.
I'm still learning a lot myself (I just started my diploma last week!), but I do know that over here you can easily take a weekend course in the basics of bowen therapy. I suspect the UK may not be as progressive, but you might find something, or you might find a therapist willing to take you through what exactly he is doing. The nature of it means that is is very precise so I think you would definately need to be shown hands on how to do it. I hope you find something and give it a go. And of course if you do, let me know how it goes!

TAMZTOM
04-24-2012, 01:52 PM
Bowen is a form of myofascial release. so in my case the therapist would pull gently on my left side to encourage the derotation and then stop for 2 minutes.
I'm still learning a lot myself (I just started my diploma last week!), but I do know that over here you can easily take a weekend course in the basics of bowen therapy. I suspect the UK may not be as progressive, but you might find something, or you might find a therapist willing to take you through what exactly he is doing. The nature of it means that is is very precise so I think you would definately need to be shown hands on how to do it. I hope you find something and give it a go. And of course if you do, let me know how it goes!

Definitely will keep you updated, Figgy.
E.g., am currently in contact with a mother and daughter 'team' in Germany who are testing the waters with different types of massage and manipulation.
Probably contrary to opinion, I'm ultra cautious about anything we do with Tamzin. With massage (it's a lot more than what's commonly understood by "massage"), I've seen the incredible benefits top athletes get with swift treatment. I'm not surprised at all that you felt lasting improvement after one treatment.
I feel remiss for not having researched this area thoroughly...being saturated with my daughter's triple condition is no excuse.
In the last 3 months, we've 'fed' specific Pilates and ballet into her routines and are also adding many of the Schroth mobilization exercises (can be thought of a massage type manipulation without the massage, i.e., move your body into a position that'll lighten the load on the overloaded muscles, tendons, ligaments, bones...in your case, you lower ribs and hip).

Tom

flerc
04-30-2012, 07:09 PM
Figgi, are you sure you really had 60°? Do you have the x-ray? It would not be the first time a surgeon does a bad measurement and the photo doesn't seem for me to be more than 40°. It would be really very important for me to be sure about that, since it would be the first case similar to my daughter I have heard up to now, so I'll really appreciate very much if you can confirm me that.

Thanks in advance!

figgy
05-02-2012, 07:39 AM
Figgi, are you sure you really had 60°? Do you have the x-ray? It would not be the first time a surgeon does a bad measurement and the photo doesn't seem for me to be more than 40°. It would be really very important for me to be sure about that, since it would be the first case similar to my daughter I have heard up to now, so I'll really appreciate very much if you can confirm me that.

Thanks in advance!

Hey, yeah 2 orthopedic surgeons identified the curve as between 55 and 60, but on my medical records it is stated as 60. Again i dont have the x-ray myself, the NHS in Northern Ireland don't issue the x-rays to the patients.

TAMZTOM
05-02-2012, 09:04 AM
Hey, yeah 2 orthopedic surgeons identified the curve as between 55 and 60, but on my medical records it is stated as 60. Again i dont have the x-ray myself, the NHS in Northern Ireland don't issue the x-rays to the patients.

You can demand them, Figgy. It'll cost you a tenner.

flerc
05-02-2012, 12:58 PM
Figgi, is really unusual for me to know about another teenage with a so great curve.. well, it seems that you have less degrees now. I’m absolutely sure that massages are really very important.
Yes you should to demand them to give you your x-ray.. at least in a digital way. They might do that by email. I believe is important to have all the x-rays.

Thanks for share your case with us!.

Pooka1
05-02-2012, 02:56 PM
Fer,

Figgy said she was 23.

And she is claiming the light massage took away her pain. She is not claiming it reduced her curve. That would be an extraordinary claim that would require extraordinary proof. Also, she has no radiograph from after the light massage as far as I know so she can't claim it reduced the curve.

It is probably physically impossible for one light massage to reduce a structural curve.

rohrer01
05-02-2012, 03:38 PM
This description reminds me of what happens when the vet does chiro on my horse except it is instant relief in his case. What must be happening with my horse, and what I am guessing is happening to you is that there was a nerve that gets impinged when your muscles tire. Somehow the pulling frees the nerve from impingement. On my horse, where there was a clear and patent pain response, there was none immediately after the vet did the movement. I call it voodoo chiro but it must be freeing a nerve or otherwise blocking a pain response.

I looked at your photos and the second one does look like a high and tight T curve. We have someone here with a similar curve. Maybe she has something to add. She has chronic pain. Maybe she should try this.

This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for posting.

I assume you are talking about me. I tried something similar with no results what-so-ever. Maybe the difference in practitioner? Who knows. My fascia doesn't seem to be super tight, but my muscles are. :-(

Pooka1
05-02-2012, 03:41 PM
I assume you are talking about me. I tried something similar with no results what-so-ever. Maybe the difference in practitioner? Who knows. My fascia doesn't seem to be super tight, but my muscles are. :-(

Yes I was talking about you.

The different response could be that Figgy likely has straight AIS whereas you have muscle dystonia-related scoliosis. You have an unusual curve anyway whereas Figgy's is the most common curve type for AIS.

rohrer01
05-02-2012, 03:56 PM
Yes I was talking about you.

The different response could be that Figgy likely has straight AIS whereas you have muscle dystonia-related scoliosis. You have an unusual curve anyway whereas Figgy's is the most common curve type for AIS.

Yes, when I looked at Figgy's pictures, her back doesn't look like mine. My left shoulder blade juts out (lots of rotation there) and I am very hollow between the shoulder blades and my lower right ribs stick out enough that my arm hits my side. My belly button is also off kilter by over 1/2". Maybe one day I will get "brave" enough to post a picture of my back. I think you are right that this type of therapy can relieve pain not associated with "nerve pain" as I often describe it. I was corrected by a PT who said nerve pain is only tingling and zapping. So I told him to imagine knocking one of his teeth off and exposing the raw nerve. He said he just cringed at the thouth of it. I said THAT is nerve pain! LOL ...not really funny, but I think he got the point.

figgy
05-03-2012, 07:23 AM
Fer,

Figgy said she was 23.

And she is claiming the light massage took away her pain. She is not claiming it reduced her curve. That would be an extraordinary claim that would require extraordinary proof. Also, she has no radiograph from after the light massage as far as I know so she can't claim it reduced the curve.

It is probably physically impossible for one light massage to reduce a structural curve.

For sure, I am 100% sure my curve has not decreased, like you say that is pretty much impossible! BUT, I have fully come to terms with my asymmetry and I have cultivated a healthy body confidence and i have no pain. SO, as long as i can maintain the curve I have got to a place where it no longer has a negative impact on my life. My only aim from now on is to never have to set foot in an operating theatre.

figgy
05-03-2012, 07:35 AM
I assume you are talking about me. I tried something similar with no results what-so-ever. Maybe the difference in practitioner? Who knows. My fascia doesn't seem to be super tight, but my muscles are. :-(

I have to say, i do think I lucked out with my practitioner. he was an anatomy teacher, and physiotherapist as well as a remedial masseur and Bowen therapist. Bowen therapy done properly involves an expert knowledge of human biology, it is an extremely precise application of myofascial release. I read your thread re deep tissue massage and I have been in that boat - I have had deep tissue massages which have left me feeling like Ive been beaten up and then run over by a truck. A good masseuse should be able to "read" your tissues and detect that you are in more pain than will benefit you. I hope you have a good massage experience one day, even just a relaxing swedish massage for the effect on your mind is so worth it :)

Pooka1
05-03-2012, 07:55 AM
Figgy, it is so refreshing having someone like you come on the group to bring rationality and therefore repsectibility to the world of adult conservative treatments. We have some rational, even scientific, threads dealing with kids but not so many for adults.

So refreshing to see threads that don't continually jump the rails. Thank you.

rohrer01
05-03-2012, 10:39 AM
I have to say, i do think I lucked out with my practitioner. he was an anatomy teacher, and physiotherapist as well as a remedial masseur and Bowen therapist. Bowen therapy done properly involves an expert knowledge of human biology, it is an extremely precise application of myofascial release. I read your thread re deep tissue massage and I have been in that boat - I have had deep tissue massages which have left me feeling like Ive been beaten up and then run over by a truck. A good masseuse should be able to "read" your tissues and detect that you are in more pain than will benefit you. I hope you have a good massage experience one day, even just a relaxing swedish massage for the effect on your mind is so worth it :)

I've had one professional massage, compliments of my grandmother before she passed away. It was wonderful. This PT that was doing the deep tissue massacre didn't even use his hands. He used an instrument with a hard ball on the end of it. That explains it all to me right there. To know where the muscle spasms are you need to FEEL them, not just ask, "Does this hurt?", then cram the ball into the painful area. It was awefull! I might try to find a real massage therapist who actually uses their hands. The problem is all of the out of pocket expenses. We pay over a thousand dollars a month just for my insurance and medication co-pays. So anything "not covered" really hurts a lot. But thank you for the kind thoughts.

Rohrer01

flerc
05-03-2012, 11:04 AM
Fer,

Figgy said she was 23.

And she is claiming the light massage took away her pain. She is not claiming it reduced her curve. That would be an extraordinary claim that would require extraordinary proof. Also, she has no radiograph from after the light massage as far as I know so she can't claim it reduced the curve.

It is probably physically impossible for one light massage to reduce a structural curve.

Sharon, in my country the term ‘teenage’, (not exits something like ‘young adults’) is usually extended up to 22-23 y.o and even something more..is more according some studies according to cerebral maturity.. and after this age it seems to be also some structural differences (mainly in ligaments)..
Anyway I was referring to the fact that I never knew before other case about an 18 y.o girl with so many degrees not having surgery. According to the photos, supposing the pose is the same (not more straight) it looks for me as a curve with some less degrees and it would not be something impossible. Of course what is really important is that her curve seems to be stable and she is out of pain. I’m sure that massages are necessaries, surely not sufficient but necessaries.. I continue looking for different kinds in my country and I'm not sure which could be the best..