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LindaRacine
11-18-2004, 08:12 PM
Hi...

A friend of mine had her first revision surgery 10 days ago, and the second and third stages 3 days ago. After the surgery 10 days ago, she was sent up to ICU because it was too late to send her to recovery. While in ICU, she was encouraged by a nurse to drink something. She was told that it would help her to recover more quickly.

I know that eating or drinking anything too quickly after a long surgery will almost certainly cause a painful ileus, but my friend didn't know that, and drank what she was given.

So, I'd like to warn those of you who are scheduled for surgery, not to eat or drink anything beyond a few ice chips, until bowel sounds are heard, even if it's a medical professional making the offer.

Regards,
Linda

blairf83
11-24-2004, 02:31 PM
I second this...

Following my surgery, I had gut sounds, but they were pretty weak.
I was allowed and encouraged to eat and drink normally the 2nd day after surgery, so I did.
That was a BIG mistake.
Bad bout of Paralytic Illeus, where your guts pretty much stop working. Symptoms are severe pain, nausea, boating. In worst case scenario, sections of intestine may be actually killed off, necessitating surgery....

Be careful....

cowprintrabbit
11-30-2004, 06:58 PM
From the King County Journal, 11-30-04

"Surgery starvation is unnecessary
I remember all too well the agony of post surgical starvation: nearly five days elapsed after my Caesarean section when the hospital refused to give me anything but ice chips. All the while I was trying to nurse two big babies with nothing but an intravenous glucose solution to sustain me. Rut the nurses held firm. I had not yet "passed gas or had a bowel movement." Complaining bitterly, I asked, "How can you expect my bowels to work if I'm not putting anything in them?"
I also remember my son's hunger and thirst as he waited 18 hours past midnight, the time of his last allowed intake of food or drink, for knee surgery that was supposed to have taken place that morning.
We were hardly alone in our surgery-related distress. Most people having elective surgery are told "nothing by mouth after midnight," and it has long been common for hospitals to withhold food and drink from patients for days after surgery because their bowels were presumed to be still asleep.
I now know that my son and I, and most everyone else who has been in a similar situation, have suffered in vain. The stringent proscriptions on how long before and how soon after an operation patients can safely eat or drink was based on tradition, dogma and fear, not science.
Once subjected to rigorous scientific study, the longstanding limitations on food and drink before and after surgery were found to be unnecessary and even detrimental.
"Medicine has changed substantially in the last 15 years," Dr. Michael L. Pearl, a gynecological oncologist at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, said. "Now evidence-based medicine is the norm."
Pearl has been a leader in research that has changed medical thinking on how soon after surgery patients can safely be fed and what they can safely consume. He and others have clearly demonstrated that waiting until a patient can pass gas or move his bowels is counterproductive, resulting in longer and more costly hospital stays and greater patient, discomfort.
Many researchers have also studied the amount of time patients should refrain from eating before surgery. Their findings prompted the American Society of Anesthesiology in 1999 to revise its practice guidelines to permit clear liquids, a light meal or a regular meal often much closer to the expected time of surgery than the arbitrary advice to eat and drink nothing after midnight the day of an operation.
Despite these new guidelines, most patients awaiting surgery are still being told "nothing by mouth after midnight," orders that can result in prolonged and distressing fasts, as long as 30 hours before the surgery finally occurs. Others are being needlessly denied food or drink long after their operations, and not given anything by mouth until the medical personnel are certain their bowels are ready to function normally.
The big fear behind the original midnight proscription was that a patient under anesthesia might vomit and aspirate, with serious respiratory consequences, if anything remained in the stomach during surgery. This may have been more likely before the advent of modern anesthetics and better methods of administering them. Pulmonary aspiration is rare with modern anesthesia.
The revised guidelines from the anesthesia society permit clear liquids (water, clear tea, black coffee, carbonated beverages and fruit juice without pulp) two hours before scheduled surgery; breast milk four hours before; regular milk and infant formula or a light meal (like toast and clear liquids) six hours before, and a regular or heavy meal eight hours before.
In the article "Preoperative Fasting: Old Habits Die Hard," published in The American Journal of Nursing three years after the anesthesia society changed its guidelines, two registered nurses Jeannette Crenshaw and Dr. Elizabeth Winslow reported that "our colleagues working in hospitals in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and across the country report that ordering nothing by mouth after midnight is still the rule rather than the exception."
The authors cited as explanations for this lag "the inconvenience of departing from traditional practice, the belief that longer fasts are better, the difficulty of individualizing fasting instructions, the concerns about changes in surgery schedules, the fear of litigation, the lack of concern about the adverse consequences of fasting, and the exaggerated concern about aspiration."
To document the lag, the nurses interviewed 155 patients who had had elective surgery at the Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas, which had no policy on fasting. Most patients were told to take nothing by mouth after midnight regardless of their time of surgery. The nurses found that "patients had fasted from liquids and solids for an average of 12 and 14 hours, respectively, with some patients fasting for as long as 20 hours from liquids and 37 hours from solids."
All but five of the patients reported having had no liquids for more than six hours before surgery, and all but two fasted from solids longer than instructed.
Distress for patients
The consequences of prolonged fasting are not trivial. Besides hunger, thirst and irritability, the researchers noted that some fasting patients also suffered from headaches, dehydration, low blood volume and low blood sugar. A third of patients failed to take crucial medications the day of surgery because they had been told not to swallow anything after midnight.
The nurses reported that other studies had found no difference in stomach contents between patients who had consumed coffee or juice two to three hours before surgery and those who had fasted overnight. A few studies found more food and acid in the stomachs of patients who had fasted longer. Further, there been no increase in cases of aspiration in the hospitals that use the more liberal guidelines.
The traditionally long delays in feeding patients after surgery were prompted by a fear of complications, including postoperative nausea and vomiting, aspiration pneumonia and abdominal distension, Pearl said. The postoperative bowel was thought to be paralyzed for hours, even days, particularly after abdominal or gynecological surgery that involved moving the intestines.
Bowels do not go to sleep
But, he said, studies show the bowel continues to function even in surgery; in only 1 percent to 2 percent of patients does it shut down temporarily. Starting patients on so-called clear liquids like fruit juice and Jell-O often cause nausea, Pearl and his colleagues found, because they are too high in sugar.
"We usually feed patients a low-residue diet something easily digested like mashed potatoes, scrambled eggs or pancakes the morning after surgery," Pearl said. "They typically go home in two and a half days." When doctors waited until patients passed gas to start feeding them, they were often in the hospital for a week, he said. Pearl said early feeding resulted in lower hospital costs and an improved postoperative quality of life: Infection rates and wound complications were reduced, patients were better nourished, they felt better and went home sooner, with no rise in readmission rates.
Jane E. Brody is a New York Times columnist. She is the author of eight books. Her column appears in more than 100 newspapers, including the Journal on Tuesdays."