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Leanna
07-09-2010, 08:58 AM
I have been a little nervous ever since my surgery when I found out that my doctor used harrington rods for my correction. He said he used it so he could wire them. I have heard and read so many bad things about them I feel like I am going to have a panic attack. What are your feelings and experiences with the harrington rod? Also ever since my A/P my stomach in the side of my incision is really tight, like I have a small football in there. I also get muscle spasms there, kind of like contractions, especially when I eat. Is this normal?

Davis
07-09-2010, 09:04 AM
I have heard negative things about the Harrington Rods also, and my surgeon mentioned that would be what he would use. I have another follow up consultation with him this afternoon to go over the MRI I had taken the other day and will ask some questions on this.

LindaRacine
07-09-2010, 03:15 PM
Hi Leanna...

If you have wires attached to a Harrington rod, the technique is actually termed Luque rods.

Do you live in the U.S.? I think it's relatively unsual that this type of procedure is performed here any more. It is, however, performed a lot in places like India, where the cost of more modern rods and screws are too price prohibitive.

In regard to your side incision, how long is it?

--Linda

kennedy
07-09-2010, 03:22 PM
my spine surgeon at uc davis said the Harrington Rods are not used as much no more. He used as he calls then fugey rods lol.

Confusedmom
07-09-2010, 11:54 PM
Leanna,

Please don't be nervous about Harrington rods right now! You got a fantastic correction, so that is something to be extremely pleased about. Harrington rods were used for many, many years in the United States and many people have done quite well with them.

If I remember correctly the main problem has been with saggital (forward/back) balance problems, which is treatable if it should ever develop. Hopefully it won't! If you have a problem with the Harrington rods, it will likely not be for a long time. This is not the time to worry about that, and just to focus on healing.

Evelyn

Shari
07-10-2010, 12:33 AM
Hi Leanna,

During the first few months of my healing process, because there wasn't much that I could do, my mind would start spinning all kinds of strange thoughts. Don't get yourself caught up with everything that could go wrong. I did that, and it leads to depression and stress. You need all your strength to heal.

I had to find things to keep my mind busy. The meds made it hard to concentrate or read.

Ask your Doctor about the rods, just to ease your mind.:)
Shari

tonibunny
07-10-2010, 04:59 AM
If you're in the UK, using Harrington Rods with sublaminar wires is called the "Harri-Luque" technique, also known as a "Tex-Mex" because of where each system was designed :D

The rods referred to as Luque Rods in the UK are different, they're L-shaped solid rods used in pairs with sublaminar wires rather than having the hooks and ratcheting system of the Harrington.

I think it's important to rememember that there are lots of people out there who have Harrington Rods with no problems at all. I've had one since 1986 and although I had disc degeneration below the fusion (which was to be expected really), I've had no problems with the actual rod.

Snoopy
07-10-2010, 08:37 AM
Hi Leanna...

If you have wires attached to a Harrington rod, the technique is actually termed Luque rods.

Do you live in the U.S.? I think it's relatively unsual that this type of procedure is performed here any more. It is, however, performed a lot in places like India, where the cost of more modern rods and screws are too price prohibitive.

In regard to your side incision, how long is it?

--Linda

Linda,

My daughter's surgeon was unable to use screws because Jamie's pedicles were to small. Do you think he might have used the technique you mentioned above? For some reason, I never thought to ask what type of rods were used. Now I'm curious and might have to contact the hospital.

Here's what her surgical report said: INDICATIONS: We had recommended doing Smith-Peterson osteotomies to help correct posterior her kyphotic deformity unable to use pedicle screw fixation due to the narrowed pedicles.

PROCEDURE: Hook preparation took place..at several levels. Monosegmental claw.....placed at several locations. We then performed laminotomies at T8-9 level and the T9-10 level, the T10-11 level for perparation of sublaminar wire fixation on the left and laminotomies were performed at the T11-12 level, then the T12-L1 level for a right-sided sublaminar wire. Two single beaded wires were at the T9-10 level. The wire at T12 was tightened to help catch the rod distally and using a compression device, the laminar hooks were further seated. A single cross lik was placed about the T11 level. The wires had been cut, tightened, and twisted over the rod.

Of course this is just several small parts of the surgical report. Thanks for any imput you have.

Mary Lou

Leanna
07-10-2010, 02:14 PM
Hi Leanna...

If you have wires attached to a Harrington rod, the technique is actually termed Luque rods.

Do you live in the U.S.? I think it's relatively unsual that this type of procedure is performed here any more. It is, however, performed a lot in places like India, where the cost of more modern rods and screws are too price prohibitive.

In regard to your side incision, how long is it?

--Linda

My side incision is approximately 10 inches long, maybe longer. From the left of my belly button over towards the rib he removed, Im guessing, is swollen, and numb. I get weird contrations their all the time. Ive noticed them there alot when I eat. My stomach is still a mess, its hard for me to eat alot. I havent been feeling well the past few days, not much appetite. I guess I am freaking out hopefully about nothing. I do live in the U.S. also. I didnt think they did it much here anymore.

titaniumed
07-11-2010, 01:10 AM
Leanna

A lot of people will use the word "Harrington" when referring to rod systems, kind of like using the word "jeep" when referring to 4 wheeling. You are not "jeeping" if you are in a Nissan Pathfinder....

The only way to know would be to ask your surgeon. If you have an x-ray to post, we might be able to help with identifying the system used. They wanted to use the Luque rods on me back in 1975, which are "L" shaped and use wires. If you go to "Quickdraw" Brads posts, you can see his x-rays of his Luque wire system.

It does feel a little freaky around the anterior cut area in the beginning. I also have a hard spot just to the left of my anterior incision. You have to realize that they cut through the muscles, and have sewed them back together very carefully. It takes time to heal...

Keep notes on your medications, food, bowel, sleep patterns. Donít let yourself get constipated from the meds.... we see it often here, and it hurts...

3 weeks is a tough period... hang in there, soon you will be done with the hardest part.
Ed

LindaRacine
07-11-2010, 11:32 AM
If you're in the UK, using Harrington Rods with sublaminar wires is called the "Harri-Luque" technique, also known as a "Tex-Mex" because of where each system was designed :D

Very funny!


The rods referred to as Luque Rods in the UK are different, they're L-shaped solid rods used in pairs with sublaminar wires rather than having the hooks and ratcheting system of the Harrington.

That's the same technique that was used in the U.S. for several years, and is currently used in India.

LindaRacine
07-11-2010, 11:35 AM
Linda,

My daughter's surgeon was unable to use screws because Jamie's pedicles were to small. Do you think he might have used the technique you mentioned above? For some reason, I never thought to ask what type of rods were used. Now I'm curious and might have to contact the hospital.

Here's what her surgical report said: INDICATIONS: We had recommended doing Smith-Peterson osteotomies to help correct posterior her kyphotic deformity unable to use pedicle screw fixation due to the narrowed pedicles.

PROCEDURE: Hook preparation took place..at several levels. Monosegmental claw.....placed at several locations. We then performed laminotomies at T8-9 level and the T9-10 level, the T10-11 level for perparation of sublaminar wire fixation on the left and laminotomies were performed at the T11-12 level, then the T12-L1 level for a right-sided sublaminar wire. Two single beaded wires were at the T9-10 level. The wire at T12 was tightened to help catch the rod distally and using a compression device, the laminar hooks were further seated. A single cross lik was placed about the T11 level. The wires had been cut, tightened, and twisted over the rod.

Of course this is just several small parts of the surgical report. Thanks for any imput you have.

Mary Lou
Hi Mary Lou...

There's no way to know, from what you've posted, what types of rods were used. I suspect they were something of more recent origin. It's common in smaller children, that hooks and/or wires are used to connect to the rods.

--Linda

LindaRacine
07-11-2010, 11:37 AM
My side incision is approximately 10 inches long, maybe longer. From the left of my belly button over towards the rib he removed, Im guessing, is swollen, and numb. I get weird contrations their all the time. Ive noticed them there alot when I eat. My stomach is still a mess, its hard for me to eat alot. I havent been feeling well the past few days, not much appetite. I guess I am freaking out hopefully about nothing. I do live in the U.S. also. I didnt think they did it much here anymore.
Hi Leanna...

I had a similar big incision. (Thankfully, these big incisions are going out of style. Many surgeons are now doing mutiple small incisions, which are not nearly as disruptive to the musculature.) I had a similar feeling to yours, and it eventually got better over a long period of time. I have a friend who had the same incision, and still complains about the feeling >10 years postop.

--Linda

Doodles
07-11-2010, 06:04 PM
Ed--
Good to see you posting. I was about ready to start a thread on "Where is Ed?" We could have speculated on numerous places where you might be and many excellent adventures you were having. Perhaps you told us long ago about your next big outing and I forgot. Welcome back from wherever. Janet

golfnut
07-11-2010, 08:24 PM
Ed,
I agree with Doodles. We miss you when we don't hear from you. I'm relatively new, but, please, please, don't stop with your comments. I love your attitude, humor, and most of all, your knowledge. Thanks!

titaniumed
07-12-2010, 01:48 PM
The where is Ed thread! LOL

I was on vacation in Montana hiking at Glacier National park.

Here is a teaser, also my back held out just fine after a few tough climbs. The knees are another story.

Just trying to get caught up for now. Nice to be back online after being in the mountains....
Ed

Doodles
07-12-2010, 05:36 PM
Glad you're back safe and sound. I'm sure there are tales to tell. Janet