Wich are the guilty ones?

[flerc]

When my daughter is lying down over the concave side, I see her spine straight, but just she is stand up, the curve appears immediately again. Which is the guilty of this impossibility to keep the spine straight?

_Muscles
_ligaments?
_Tendons?
_Vertbras
_Discs
_Rib cage?
_Joints
_Internal organs
_Fascias
_Something else?

Saying in other words, if it would be possible to improve without limits only one of these body parts, which of them you’ll select?
May be a combination of all, but I can not believe that percentages of incidence could be the same for all. Could it be different for everyone?

One surgeon said me that vertebras (and probably she said discs too) are the guiltys without any doubt, another surgeon said me that muscles, other said me 80% muscles 20% joints, internal organs are the guilty for some western therapists. Surely Abr people thinks that it is the pneumatic skeleton.
This week I was thinking ABR people are right. Last week I thought the first surgeon was right, Last month I thought second surgeon was right.. I don’t know what I’ll think tomorrow. Now, I'm thinking about muscles again, but not because strength, as some months ago, but because length. I think that is not a mater of short length in the convex side, as I heard, but it is because muscles of the concave side are much longer.. Or may be because ligaments?
What do you think? Every kind of answer seem to be so reasonable as any other.

[flerc]

The SEAS people in Italy claim three components: muscles, ligaments, and bone

Someone lying, in a brace, shows just the effect of the bone
Someone lying, not in a brace, shows the effect of the bone and ligaments
Someone standing without a brace shows the effect of all three

At least, that's their theory

mmm.. 33% muscles bones and ligaments? Nothing about joints, facias..? The same in all cases? Muscles because strength or length? Do you know if they says something about this?

[flerc]

Thanks, I'm looking for it. In fact I never read much more about SEAS than the famous case study.

[hope404]

role

Brain !!!!

[flerc]

Here's their main site - http://www.isico.it/ukcosa.htm

thanks hdugger. It seems that SEAS is what the name means

[mamamax]

Brain !!!!

I did see an arrow pointing to that when standing ... maybe different when lying down.

Seriously though, it does look like the SEAS folks are on to something.

[flerc]

ligaments are the guily ones?

http://www.caringmedical.com/symptom...ndition_id=463

[flerc]

are the discs?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9854753

[rohrer01]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9854753

Awesome find, Flerc! This doesn't surprise me at all per our conversation. Could the elevated remodeling of the disc on the convex side be a result of the body trying to fill the gaps created by the curvature? I don't know how the publishers of this article can positively conclude that the discs are causing the curve. How would one go about actually proving that?

I think you should post this under the research section so some of the Ph.D.'s will comment on this one.

[Pooka1]

If in doubt, I think the chiros are the guilty party for pretending to treat a condition for which they have no relevant training.

[rohrer01]

If in doubt, I think the chiros are the guilty party for pretending to treat a condition for which they have no relevant training.

How are chiros involved in this topic? Is it like in Scuby Doo, when they can't figure it out, they blame Red Herring?

[Pooka1]

How are chiros involved in this topic? Is it like in Scuby Doo, when they can't figure it out, they blame Red Herring?

Pretty much.

[titaniumed]

disc histology and pathology

I've stumbled upon this abstract about discs. I find it interesting since I had 4 herniated discs at one point years ago....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16595436

Understanding histology takes time....Whew..

Understanding biochemistry and neurochemistry would be a big help in figuring out why scoliosis happens. Flerc, I don’t think its that simple as pointing to one specific area. Its a nice thought however.

And on the subject of Scooby Doo's, they sometimes get Wobbler disease.(Disc and vert problems)
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

My contribution for today. LOL
Ed

[Pooka1]

I've stumbled upon this abstract about discs. I find it interesting since I had 4 herniated discs at one point years ago....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16595436

Understanding histology takes time....Whew..

Understanding biochemistry and neurochemistry would be a big help in figuring out why scoliosis happens. Flerc, I don’t think its that simple as pointing to one specific area. Its a nice thought however.

All this biochem and neurochem is rocket surgery. Not sure there is a more complex problem than some biomedical problems.

And on the subject of Scooby Doo's, they sometimes get Wobbler disease.(Disc and vert problems)
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

My contribution for today. LOL
Ed

Nice animal. Horses get wobbles which is a neurological problem.

[flerc]

I've stumbled upon this abstract about discs. I find it interesting since I had 4 herniated discs at one point years ago....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16595436

Understanding histology takes time....Whew..

Understanding biochemistry and neurochemistry would be a big help in figuring out why scoliosis happens. Flerc, I don’t think its that simple as pointing to one specific area. Its a nice thought however.

And on the subject of Scooby Doo's, they sometimes get Wobbler disease.(Disc and vert problems)
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

My contribution for today. LOL
Ed

Ed, maybe discs would be the more difficult to analyze, but I think it should to be known for instance, how much force is required to muscles to keep the spine straight, and how much is loosed in someone with IS. The same about all other suspected ones. I can not believe the ignorance may be so great.