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titaniumed
05-11-2010, 10:44 AM
The last 3 days, I have not been feeling well. I believe its due to low pressure and cold moisture. Today, I feel much better, and have noticed that the low has moved east to Utah.

It would be great if any of you could report your pain levels and your current location if you think your pain is weather related.

If my theory is correct, People in Utah, Iowa, Missouri,and Illinois should be "under the weather" today.

Remember that this is weather related, so tomorrow, I will post a new weather map, and we will see.

Thanks for your reports
Ed

CHRIS WBS
05-11-2010, 11:14 AM
You may be on to something, Ed. As an Illinoisan, I am a bit under the weather today :( and my arthritis is acting up. I feel so much better when the sun is shining and the air is dry.

Singer
05-11-2010, 11:57 AM
I've been bitching about the weather for 3 years now (just ask my long-suffering husband, ha-ha). I feel the best in warm or hot weather -- doesn't seem to matter whether it's dry or humid. Cold and damp...like it is today... is the worst for aches and pains.

loves to skate
05-11-2010, 04:40 PM
Hi Ed,
I am feeling great today in the Northeast with that beautiful high pressure area. The other day when we had a low pressure weather system, I was in quite a bit of pain. Find me a place to live where the pressure is usually high.:D
Sally
PS: I must have missed something Ed, what does the foam mean?

titaniumed
05-11-2010, 08:01 PM
Chris WBS,
You are close to the low on the map. We will see tomorrow how the low moves and see how you do.

Chris Singer
You are in a high pressure area, lets see how you do when the low moves over in your direction. I'm trying to establish this pressure thing. It seems that my bear traps happen under low atmospheric pressure.

Sally
You are in high pressure area. We will see how you do when that Low over Illinois moves in your direction.

The foam is for the bed. I struggled with sleeping so much that after realized how important it really is after scoli surgery. I could change it to beer? Thatís important also....only after recovery of course!

Here is a new map, and the low has moved right over Suzie Bees house! Oh boy!

Any Utah or Colorado posties feeling any increased tightness or pain?
Ed

Doodles
05-11-2010, 08:07 PM
Ed--
I'm in Iowa and am sore from head to toe today. However, I felt it was due to my first real subbing job since surgery. It was a good day but I was beat. Plus I wore the wrong shoes so my feet and knees hurt--it's a really big school. I got home and had to wonder how did I manage traipsing around that place and teaching for 34.5 years--especially with a messed up back. Might have been a combination. I'll be interested in your results. Janet

foofer
05-11-2010, 08:18 PM
I'm a Colorado girl but I am currently following some bad weather by visiting the Connecticut shoreline. Last couple days were gorgeous but cold- and more humidity than I am used to. Rain moving in. Been on planes, trains, and automobiles (and a couple buses) and had my first two pilates sessions.

No way to study me right now- too many factors to factor, and I can tell you...I am the achey one!

But having a good time and mostly being lazy.

titaniumed
05-11-2010, 08:18 PM
Janet
Are you picking your sub work on the computer? If so, might be a great way to "delay" until you feel better. My neighbor was doing that. Start slow with the work thing. You know, there is nothing like a new pair of cushy sneakers.....

Lets see if you feel better tomorrow. The low is moving away from you.
Ed

Doodles
05-11-2010, 09:13 PM
I'm even more picky than that. In fact the computer thought I was inactive. If someone I know and has worked closely with I'll sub if they let me know ahead of time. Actually this is my first real sub job since surgery; I have done some volunteer work there but usually not the entire day. And yes sneakers would have been better! Janet

Shari
05-12-2010, 12:37 AM
Hi Ed, You are right on the money about the highs and lows, but I also feel the dampness as well. I live in West Virginia, 60 mile SW of Pittsburg. I am the local weather person. I can feel it coming, sort of like when animals know when danger is approaching;).

I need meds all winter long for pain. Summer I feel like Wonder Woman, with smaller boobs.

I love the beauty of this state, and all the seasonal changes, but no matter what I do the winter weather kills me. Guess I got spoiled from lack of pain.

Add me to your weather map please,
Shari

rohrer01
05-12-2010, 12:45 AM
You can count me in! It's cold and misty today. It's been rainy the last couple of days after some beautiful weather. When the weather was warm and sunny, I was talking to my dear hubby about getting off the pain meds, then the stupid cold front moved in and I've been miserable since. I took my walk in the afternoon, just because I try to do it every day, and muscle spasms galore! I hope we don't have another cold, rainy summer this year. I'm in Southwestern Wisconsin. The weather forcast for the next two days, pain and 80% chance of thunderstorms. :eek:

rohrer01
05-12-2010, 12:48 AM
Just to add... I don't even have any hardware. I feel really bad for those of you with lightning rods! (I hope nobody takes offense!) I can only imagine how the metal reacts with the cold. But maybe it's the barometric pressure or the humidity more than the actual temperature. I don't know???

NicoAnn
05-12-2010, 12:38 PM
You are definitely correct on this. I can always tell when a low pressure system is coming through the area, due to increased pain. Low pressure, cold weather, and rain/snow have the most affect. I am originially from Michigan, but moved to Arizona 6 years ago due to this phenomonon, after advice from my doctor that warm/dry weather would improve my pain condition. It has made an UNBELIEVABLE difference! My pain meds have been cut by more than half. I used to come home often in tears from pain, but haven't done that even once since I moved, and even have some days that are totally pain free! People with arthritis also have similar symptoms.

ADMoul
05-12-2010, 12:45 PM
We're in day 2 of damp/misty/chilly weather here in Central PA and I feel like everything is achey right now! There has to be correlation between weather like this and pain issues. Bring back the sunshine and 70's (temps, not the decade!)

titaniumed
05-12-2010, 02:37 PM
Welcome NicoAnn,
Its good that your move has helped you.

Wow, you have had quite a trial. Didnít they get any correction from the hardware? Or did they, and your spine returned?
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Wow Shari,
I never watched Wonder woman. I guess I have no idea what a wonder she really is? I will have to check her out! LOL
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AdMoul Ann
Well by looking at the map, you are in the thick of things.
Penn, Ok, and Colorado.

I'm fantastic today! Just look at the map.

Ed

foofer
05-12-2010, 03:10 PM
If you go to this site, click on maps, click on "aches & pains", there is a pain map there, and apparently, no one outside of Wisconsin and Michigan should be presently suffering.

Connecticut? Even though it's cold and rainy, I'm out of the zone, or should be.

titaniumed
05-12-2010, 10:20 PM
Amy,

Your right. The have maps for aches and pains, allergies, and a cold and flu. Some of the maps are vague, but then again thatís how forecasting goes.
They really need to add a scoliosis pain map!

I could get a job with the Weather Channel.....

"50% chance of pain today, mixed with partly scattered darkness". LOL

Actually, I'm quite happy that summer is almost here, and should have started this thread last November. I will be doing well till next winter, and then it will be my 3rd winter after my surgeries. Moving south has crossed my mind.

Ed

loves to skate
05-13-2010, 04:30 PM
Ed, I just blew my theory about feeling good on high pressure days. It's a beautiful day here in New England today and I am in a lot of pain. Wish I could figure it out. Maybe that low pressure area is on it's way. Sally

titaniumed
05-14-2010, 09:55 AM
Sally

Sorry about your pain. You know that there are many reasons for pain. I'm just trying to address this weather related thing.

I have "bear traps" which are the "tightening" of the paraspinal muscles only in my thoracic area. Why in this area, I donít know. I'm sure all the muscles were cut in my back going all the way down. This is a post surgical pain, I didnít have this before my surgeries, and you know that pain is totally different after surgery. We trade different types of pain. My bear traps feel like somebody is stepping in that area with a boot. Levels of tightness vary, according to weather and atmospheric pressure.

We really need to get a thread going addressing pain. Defining different types of pain and their levels. Everyone has similar and very different types of pain, and judging their pain levels is so difficult from person to person.

A 4 year old child with a little cut on their finger will testify that it was a 10 level pain event. I broke my shoulder and didnít even bother doing anything about it. Shattered my humeral head, almost ripped off my supra spinatus, etc. These are two very different extremes.

One thing is for sure, pain relates to nerves, and CNS.

Once again, for those who read this that are wondering, my pre-surgical pain was so high, I'm surprised I didnít have a heart attack. Dr Menmuir saved my life, and if I do have pain related to weather or low pressure or whatever it is, I would not reverse the process. I will probably be completely pain free till next November, unless I screw up and have some sort of a crash. I will not let scoliosis dictate any of my activities, never have, never will. (Within reason) Use good judgment in your activites.
Ed

NicoAnn
05-14-2010, 06:08 PM
[QUOTE=titaniumed;98709]Welcome NicoAnn,
Its good that your move has helped you.

Wow, you have had quite a trial. Didnít they get any correction from the hardware? Or did they, and your spine returned?
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Yeah, it was quite an ordeal. But, I kept a good attitude through all of it and had great support from parents, friends, and doctors, so it really wasn't as bad as it could have been. They initially got about 10 degrees correction from surgery, which is much less than anticipated, but within a couple months it settled back to where it was pre-surgery.

NicoAnn
05-14-2010, 06:18 PM
Sally
I have "bear traps" which are the "tightening" of the paraspinal muscles only in my thoracic area. Why in this area, I donít know. I'm sure all the muscles were cut in my back going all the way down. This is a post surgical pain, I didnít have this before my surgeries, and you know that pain is totally different after surgery. We trade different types of pain. My bear traps feel like somebody is stepping in that area with a boot. Levels of tightness vary, according to weather and atmospheric pressure.

I will not let scoliosis dictate any of my activities, never have, never will. (Within reason) Use good judgment in your activites.
Ed

I'm never heard that type of pain described as "bear trap" or even talked to doctor about it to find out what it actually is, but I get the same type of pain from time to time... only in thoracic area, also. It feels like everything is tightened up and gets so bad I can't breathe sometimes. This happens a couple times a month to me, mainly due to weather or too much activity.

I agree with your statement about not letting scoliosis stop you from doing anything. People often ask me if I'm able to do something due to scoliosis and I've never said I couldn't. Example, I'm going ATV riding next weekend. I figure it might make me sore the next day, but I have some meds to help and it'll will likely be worth the experience. I'm no stranger to a little pain and won't let it control me. I refuse to let this thing stop me from doing anything I want.

titaniumed
05-14-2010, 07:32 PM
Ann

"Bear traps' are a term that I coined. Especially in my recovery when it felt like a bear trap gripping my spine. My first few weeks right after my surgeries were dreadful.

You be careful on that 4 wheeler. Keep the speed down. I do ride motorcycles, but now I'm extremely cautious. Basically, I just put around in low gear.

Looks like the lows today are in New Mexico and Arkansas and Ontario, Canada. Do we have members from these areas?
Ed

jrnyc
05-14-2010, 08:04 PM
i am so sorry to hear of people in pain...i, too, have weather related pain...cold and damp is the worst!

i say again...botox injections freeze muscles, work particularly well on thoracic area, rarely work for me in lumbar...and are great when they stop those spasms that cause so much pain!

jess

Vali
05-15-2010, 10:44 AM
I can definitely tell when its going to rain. I feel as if I have a corset on and that someone is pulling the laces really tight. I have that real ' i can't be bothered doing anything today' type attitude. I just want to lie down and do nothing (really, really unusual for me). I live in Adelaide (Australia) and we can get upto 43 degrees Celcius for sometimes 10 days in a row, our highest has been 46 degrees, however, it is a dry heat and very bearable. I can't do humidity, it just doesn't agree with me.

foofer
05-15-2010, 01:13 PM
Amy,

Your right. The have maps for aches and pains, allergies, and a cold and flu. Some of the maps are vague, but then again thatís how forecasting goes.
They really need to add a scoliosis pain map!

I could get a job with the Weather Channel.....

"50% chance of pain today, mixed with partly scattered darkness". LOL

Actually, I'm quite happy that summer is almost here, and should have started this thread last November. I will be doing well till next winter, and then it will be my 3rd winter after my surgeries. Moving south has crossed my mind.

Ed

Okay Mr Weatherman, you made me laugh with the scattered darkness thing. Where have I heard that (or have I?)....Some long ago memory of SNL or Mad Magazine- Tonight's weather- increasing darkness, moving into light by morning.....?

Help me out here...

Meantime- it is drizzling and achey here for sure, back in Colorado. Could you please send us some better weather? I often talk to my sister in the morning who lives in Reno and by late afternoon, we have her morning weather.

I'm starting a pain thread...

titaniumed
05-16-2010, 11:53 PM
I think it might have been Chevy Chase on SNL in the early days....
Letterman also did weather, before he was famous.

I'm sorry I cant help you out Amy, but I can give you a heads up. Look at the map and you will see 2 lows, just north and south of me.

And I feel them. My upper back is tight.
Ed

titaniumed
03-24-2014, 12:10 PM
Hi Guys, itís the weatherman here reporting low pressure changes on the horizon again. I know Iím sounding like a broken record, but this is reality. I feel terrible, Iím totally exhausted. Its 10AM and Iím going back to bed.

Several times now we have had great sunny weather, and then I feel the bear trap gripping and exhaustion, then look at the Pacific satellite, and there it is, a low pressure winter weather system moving in.

My baroreceptors are in gear again.....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080530174619.htm

I am 6 years post and this is not letting up at all. Its been a tough winter for me. I am really considering a move because of this.

Does anyone down south feel this? Before I move down to Florida, can someone let me know? (smiley face) Any post op Florida scolis feeling this?

Ed

JenniferG
03-24-2014, 04:28 PM
Ed, I live a long way South <grin> In a sub-tropical zone of Australia, and I never have this problem. Move to the warmth, you'll never regret it.

jrnyc
03-25-2014, 02:00 AM
hey Ed....are you OK in very humid warm weather...?
the wetness of humidity does not cause you pain?

because i suggest southern CA...
they have such a bad drought there...i know it makes everything and everyone suffer...except those of us with arthritis...not nice to admit, but i used to wish so hard for a drought in northeast in summer...i felt best that way...but i deeply dislike the desert...my aunt who loved the desert, bless her soul, dragged me to Palm Springs once...i had no spit in my mouth it was so dry outside,and no one was on the street...all inside in air conditioning, except one or two leather skinned people
sunning by the pool at hotel...
i could not get back to ocean fast enough....

i do feel good in Caribbean, despite humidity so high that my wet towels...and curly wet hair...never fully dry....but i do not know if that is from the weather, the sunshine, the people, the music, the rum, or....who knows what...
only hot and humid i truly enjoy is in Bahamas and Jamaica...and St Thomas, and....you get the idea...

i just thought you might consider southern CA instead of FLA...
i understand when the barometer drops, when moisture in a storm is coming,
pain comes with it...and CA does not get rain very often...i think i am recruiting now...i really like southern CA so much...

hope you feel better soon...
jess...and Sparky

rohrer01
03-25-2014, 11:45 AM
Hi, Ed.
I have a friend in CA. In the last week they've had two small earthquakes. That usually happens before a "BIG one". That's the primary reason that I won't live in CA.

I lived in AZ for a couple of decades. It's a great place. You have your choice of "climate" and the weather is almost always sunny. You don't have to live where it's blistering hot, either. AND they have a wicked ski resort near Flagstaff! They do have monsoon season, but rarely get rain from it anymore. The barometric pressure does change none-the-less. You can see and feel and SMELL the storm coming, then nothing. In the low desert it evaporates before it hits the ground. Although, they did get some pretty heavy rain recently not related to the monsoons. My friend forgot where the windshield wipers were on her car! The monsoons come in the late summer. You might feel your bear trap during that season, I don't know. It would probably depend on where you chose to live. There are so many beautiful places there, it's hard to recommend one. I do recommend staying out of the low desert. It gets too darn hot. I had a 131o reading on my out door thermometer that was in the SHADE one year. No human should live in a place like that as far as I'm concerned. The lizards, snakes, scorpions, and tarantulas can keep it all to themselves. LOL

Florida has a lot of weather disturbances because it's on the peninsula. I can't imagine finding pain relief there. Have you ever thought about being a snowbird? Maybe your line of work won't allow that...

rohrer01
03-25-2014, 11:51 AM
Sorry, Jess. As beautiful as it is out there, I like the ground stable under my feet. I lived near the AZ/CA border for years. We felt the earthquakes all the way out there from the big ones near the coast. It was enough to knock things off of MY shelves and send a houseful of kids screaming into my bed (it was early in the morning). My sister lived in the epicenter of that quake. It was the Sylmar quake in the 1990's. We went and got her as soon as she had phone service to call me. She never went back.

JuliaAnn
03-25-2014, 12:05 PM
There's a good reason folks move to dry and warm Arizona once they reach a certain age. I've thought fondly of the idea the past couple years.

I'm nearing 18 months post-op (fused T1 to pelvis with pelvic fixation) and the weather has a huge impact on my pain levels. I get the "bear traps" that Ed speaks of - it feels like a rigged steel band is wrapped too tight around my rib cage and it's painful to inhale deeply when the weather is cold and/or damp. I also have a sharp pain in one of my right hip bolts up to 6 hours before rainy weather hits and ache all over, like I'm getting the flu.

Sometimes I check the Aches & Pains weather map in my area but I usually feel the pain before it shows up on the weather map. http://www.weather.com/health/aches-pains/main - type in your local zipcode in the box in the left column to see what your area is like. Today my zipcode area says the pain index is "High". That's accurate.

If I keep the house really dry, I have less pain. So we use either the heat or AC to dehumidify the house year round, even when the temperature outside doesn't need heat or cold in the house. Sometimes I'll turn on lights and put a heater in one room and run it to dry out the room even more. Putting my back on a heating pad during that time is also effective.

When the pain is too bad, I take two extra strength Tylenol. I do have a high tolerance for pain though. I feel the pain as much as anyone else but stay distracted and try to ignore it. The tolerance was built slowly and intentionally over many years. The worst pain before surgery was when I walked around with a crushed disk and a broken back. It was foolish and dangerous of me to delay surgery just because I didn't want to interrupt the kids trip to the beach. It's a miracle I didn't get paralyzed during that time! The worst pain post-op was when I went cold-turkey off all meds but Tylenol just six weeks post op. (That also was stupid. I should have called the surgeon and got a different prescription to try!) But now I know what really bad pain is like and I can live through it. That's encouraging.

I'm fortunate that I don't have to work outside the home though. I stay close to the dry heat when the weather is poor. On occasion, even a blue sky day can have pain if the barometric pressure is changing as rain is on the horizon.

Ed, I hope you can find a solution. Your pain must be really bad if it stops you. You're the most unstoppable post-op person I know!

We're going to get a dehumidifier to run in the house this summer. Our AC doesn't remove humidity enough. Last spring I bought a little humidity gauge for in the house similar to this one http://www.amazon.com/AcuRite-613-Indoor-Humidity-Monitor/dp/B0013BKDO8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395766409&sr=8-1&keywords=humidity+gauge. It's pretty consistent with my pain level. When the humidity in the house is above 40, I'm in more pain.

I feel for you all! I'm reading these posts and hope we can figure out a good recipe to combat the weather-related pain issue.

jrnyc
03-25-2014, 07:51 PM
well, i don't know about post op pain..
but i do know about no op pain...
i feel the weather coming before it gets here...and have a better record than the guys/gals on TV....much better predictive record...am sure most scoli patients
do, and i know arthritis patients are weather barometers.

as to earthquakes...i have slept thru a few 4.0's on richter, and have luckily never experienced a big quake...
i do not believe the little quakes always precede the biggest...they have been having "little" quakes for years there, and haven't had a big one for a long time...my sister was stuck out of town for one of the last big quakes...her son was small and she was panicked to get back to him...luckily, a friend figured it out and filled in for her
by picking him up at school and taking him home that day...sister never flew out of town for her govt job again until her son was an adult...

by the way...there is a fault line that runs thru NYC up thru Montreal...
i slept thru the quake in NYC we had years ago, but it woke another sister who lives in Montreal...

i am planning, at some point, to take my chances in CA...i have had my fill of winter in the northeast....the older i get, the less i can tolerate the snow...and ice...and cold...ugh.

jess...and Sparky

titaniumed
03-25-2014, 09:13 PM
Well, I (the snapping turtle) pushed himself into work today....and had that hiking boot pressing on my high thoracic and interestingly, my right shoulder was also aching, which was re-built years ago. The surgical sites all effected by low pressure. Thatís why I suspect scar tissue....The good news is that the pain is subsiding because the pressure has dropped and bottomed out, the storm is in position, and my body has countered for this.

Ok, so the new term is called baroreceptor! Its nice to understand why this happens! Its part of our blood pressure adjustment system. Very interesting stuff!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroreceptor

With everyone posting all these possible geographical locations, I was reading about Jens hometown, (Mooloolubie) (Is that British? He he, Iím kidding, we have Kalamazoo here so we are even), its down under, and of course how can you not read about Steve Irwin....So sad...One day, some day, I would like to visit Australia.

I lived in San Diego 30 years ago, and Las Cruces, New Mexico so I am familiar with the desert.....and earthquakes! I would take a shower in the morning, lean in the corner, and boil my back in the standup position. One time while doing this, I felt dizzy for some reason, opened the shower door and saw all my clothes swinging in the closet.....I have had earthquakes wake me up in bed to see swinging lamps in the house. Nothing broken, just everything swinging.

I ask about Florida since I have relatives down there just bugging the heck out of me about WHEN,WHEN,WHEN, am I moving down there? (Elvis smirk) They need a date with some accuracy! I donít think I can get out of this.....I am losing this case.

It would be nice to know if Florida would solve my beartrap issues.....I would know after the 1st winter since it ONLY happens during winter storms. The dropping of atmospheric pressure, during the winter, in surgical joint areas. Scar tissue is an annoyance, doesnít matter where its at.

Thx for the posts....

Ed

rohrer01
03-25-2014, 09:17 PM
Speaking of pain, I was cooking dinner last night and looked out of my window to see a BLIZZARD. No kidding! Today was in the low 20's and both me and DIL woke up with PAIN today. She's fused and I'm not. So I don't really think that matters. It's "supposed" to warm up this weekend, so I'll see how we feel then.

scooter950
03-29-2014, 10:04 PM
well, I also have noticed the coincidence of rain or other bad weather coming in right after a day or two of realy bad pain. Here's my two cents: when a low pressure area moves in - before the rain/ bad weather- it's the decrease in atmospheric pressure that affects our joints.

we walk around at sea level more or less, the same atmospheric pressure bearing down on us, causing our joints to compress. When the atmospheric pressure drops-== less pressure is exerted on us/ on our joints so the discs expand slightly- microscopically- but less pressure means things expand. So now if our slightly bulging discs expand- and so does our pain level. especially if we have degenerative changes in the spine/ neck/ joints.

for those that dive - you probably feel less pain at greater depth- because the increase in barometric pressure is "shrinking" the discs so to speak. if we go to altitude - Colorado ( personal experience) - we would feel more pain because of a lower atmospheric pressure.

when bad weather is moving in- there's usually a low pressure area in front- that's my theory. however it works, I also can predict weather changes. :/

blessings to all - Jamie in TX

rohrer01
03-30-2014, 12:39 AM
Jamie,
That's an interesting and logical theory you have there. That may explain why so many "older" people move to places farther south where the elevation is lower. I'm a mountain girl. I don't feel comfortable there in the deserts. I DO LOVE the beach, though I would NOT move to CA right now. They've had a series of about 4 quakes in the last two weeks, each time getting bigger and bigger. EEK! I lived in the desert for 20 years of my life and I hated every minute of it. I hate the weather when I go back and visit family in AZ. Everything is the same color, tan. The Springtime can be really pretty for about two weeks if you catch it just right. There can be a light covering of desert grass and beautiful blossoms. Almost nothing compares to the sweet aroma of a blooming wild mesquite tree. Unfortunately, I'm terribly allergic to them in bloom! LOL

Florida is also a popular retirement spot. That goes to show that humidity may have very little to do with pain. AZ is dry, but FL is not.

rohrer01
03-30-2014, 01:04 AM
Correction. Just spoke to my friend via FB and it's 8!!! At least two were today! I hope that the "Big One" that everyone's been talking about for decades isn't getting ready to happen. I have friends over there. :'-(

titaniumed
03-30-2014, 02:29 AM
for those that dive - you probably feel less pain at greater depth- because the increase in barometric pressure is "shrinking" the discs so to speak.


I started diving in 1995 for my scoliosis, it was more about de-weighting. I felt better because it was a zero gravity situation. I donít have this relief anymore while diving since Iím fused.

1 Bar or 1 atmosphere is 10 meters. At 100 feet thatís around 3x surface atmospheric pressure....

I did drink a root beer at 100 feet once with no salt water entering my mouth....I did this on my advanced test. The instructor brought a tennis ball down and it was FLAT. Funny also because at that depth, it doesnít feel like 3x the pressure. My huge belly doesnít go flat on deep dives???? This is an unsolved physics question. LOL

Maybe if I had the traps and did a dive I could prove it out. I never had ďBear trapsĒ while diving, and I donít dive in the winter. I hate cold water. Under 78 degrees is cold....and requires more rubber which is a lot of work. It would be a very interesting thing to prove out....I donít know if 60 minutes is enough time for any results????

Ed

rohrer01
03-30-2014, 03:22 AM
I feel better when I can float around in warm water. It does take the pressure off even at surface pressures. I've never learned to dive. Ocean or even large bodies of water scare me because of man eating fish!